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very interesting day today we like to

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get people that have all sorts of

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different opinions and experiences and

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uh have walked through life and had a

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bunch of stuff happen and come out more

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enlightened on the other end so today

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we're going to speak to somebody who's

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worked in the intelligence World

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somebody who worked for Lockheed Martin

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served in the Vietnam War was like a spy

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on a submarine this person's also been a

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Buddhist monk and they're into ufology

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and they have the stats on how many

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people actually see craft and like what

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would you say Jay like what do most

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people think the ratio is uh I would

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think most people would say one out of

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thousand people have seen a year I've

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even heard it said one out of ten you

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know one out of whatever and every

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nobody really knows and there's all

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these varying opinions that have kind of

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infiltrated this topic so we want to

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speak with somebody who's actually done

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the math looked at the raw data and

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published it and uh we're gonna do

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exactly that today so it's going to be a

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great episode Cheryl Costas on the show

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she's going to explain her uh her

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varying opinions on things and um

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everything from Consciousness to what

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being a Buddhist monk taught her and

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what she really thinks is going on with

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the UAP phenomenon so we'll be right

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back in a minute with Cheryl Costa let's

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[Music]

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast my name is Louis Borges

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joining me as always my best buddy and

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I'm not scared to say it Jason gilmat

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how are you I'm doing really good and by

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the way it's Louie gorgeous Borges I

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think yeah we pump each other up and and

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keep each other humble at the same time

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so really excited for our guest today a

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very uh well-known ufologist somebody

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with a big brain lots of enthusiasm uh

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we're somebody who worked for Lockheed

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Martin uh you know Cheryl served in

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Vietnam and she even worked at the U.S

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Navy in the Cold War submarine service I

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mean that's badass pretty badass yeah a

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lot of stuff's been happening lately

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there was a fairly recent New York Times

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article that came out it almost feels

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like we're going backwards a little bit

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but we're going to get into all that

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also Cheryl is really good in terms of

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case studies numbers kind of trying to

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draw similarities amongst all the

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variants that's out there and make some

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sense of it so a very warm welcome to

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the show today to Ms Cheryl Costa hi

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everybody how you doing good I'm doing

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good good been a Rowdy morning I bet us

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too this is episode number two for us

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today in our recordings and uh we're uh

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changed up and fresh and excited to get

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into it and you know Jason always says

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any day you get to chat about uaps is a

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little bit about uh why you're

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interested in all this stuff and why you

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put so much time and effort into doing

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short story on my early life uh first

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sighting when I was about 12 with my

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parents my mother introduced me to it

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based on that sighting that we had it

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was a sphere okay and it was not just

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something we thought you know oh my God

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and it's gone no it sat there for 25 30

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mother and I were both very well read uh

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early Von Dan again all the guys who

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60s and then I went in the service and

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Eve 1971 in Cameron Bay Vietnam with a

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friend of mine wow okay and uh it was

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about 11 30 at night we saw this thing

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streaking across the sky and it just

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to go to midnight gas for something to

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stop and he says in helicopters don't

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fly that fast you know and then I said

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start dancing around like a fairy darn

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gone you know and um neither one of us

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this so um going from the Air Force I

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under a clearance so I just you play it

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close to your chest because they always

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couldn't be a member of and keep your

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clearance and mufan was one of them oh

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what they were utilizing me for and um

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security card that I couldn't talk about

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UFOs right so I retired they retired me

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in 2011 32 years at Lockheed and I've

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and the flavor of that was I went around

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security escort me to the door because I

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New Times said I'll try you out for a

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to talk and I had I had that thought oh

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people in the meeting and he stops

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columnists combined wow you know just

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digital editor got up there and said

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stories with the respect of but I did it

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a matter of fact it was just like the

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robbery across town the fire down down

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couldn't tell you why so but I could

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tell you what when and where so if you

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hood of his car watching the stars and

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they saw this big going over overhead it

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wasn't Bob and Susie and it wasn't his

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writing you're not a real journalist per

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se you know so I hit some slack

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news we mentioned that in a few podcasts

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now but there's a huge problem that

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taking it seriously then Canada slowly

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vibe to it like they're trying to make

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it look like this is something you know

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about it you know this is what they saw

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and they cut back to the anchor and he

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oh it's so annoying and I always think

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like yeah so you know reporters need to

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take this seriously and treat it with

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them they won't talk to me the reporters

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won't talk to you New York Times talk to

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about our first book is statistics right

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um I was getting the the day after the

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heart the paper version of that article

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came out my phone started ringing 8 30

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until 10 30 at night and the phones were

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flying off the hook at our newspaper

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from news editors news directors all

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over the planet wanted to talk to us

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right and uh so okay that's cool but

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other newspapers won't talk to us since

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the other paper went since the new times

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went under in 2019 I have pitched

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newspaper if the newspaper and said I

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um right they're still sort of oh that's

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sort of Hokey Pokey we don't really

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believe in this sort of stuff uh you

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know I I you find that now in uh you

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mentioned even on Twitter uh not that

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long ago that you had pitched that to

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another uh news

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said well that's just ridiculous oh yeah

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I went to him with the numbers for this

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state here Ohio over eight state in the

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country for UFO sightings right you know

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uh and uh supposedly you know Wright

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Patterson's ready keeping the Bobbies

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you know if you believe that story uh

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and they won't talk to me yeah I've

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reached out to all five TV stations and

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the state including two College papers

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won't even answer my mail and it's not

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crazy I don't get some babbling letter

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it's a tight little business letter with

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a smart a small executive summary

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people came to me in 2019 said Cheryl

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this is before we knew about covet

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okay okay nobody knew covert was coming

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Senator Rubio is going to attach a bill

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to something like a spending bill or

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something he knows will pass

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and we might have Congressional hearings

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in 2020 Maybe 2021.

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and they said okay and this is the a lot

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The Usual Suspects the lobby guys you

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know and they called me up and said um

279
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would you and Linda be willing to

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testify before Congress if this comes up

281
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we can advocate for this and of course

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Linda and I had both been government

283
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contractors

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so you spend your career trying not to

285
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have to testify before Congress okay

286
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that's the whole point yeah yeah yeah

287
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don't get in trouble and so we said yeah

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sure we can do that for you and uh then

289
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the two of us sat there and thought

290
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about this and I said all right

291
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say this all happens Linda they said

292
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imagine we're on C-Span there's a

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congressional hearing we've seen these

294
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things before we want people to know

295
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that it's our book they're looking at so

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we decided to make the thing bright pink

297
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you can't you can flag an aircraft with

298
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so we want to know if everybody know

299
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that a couple of women published this

300
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book you know so um that was the whole

301
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flavor of the whole thing but I also

302
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told those guys back then

303
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you know we'd already heard guys like

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Lou Alexander we were starting to hear

305
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from Chris melons and that kind of thing

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and I said all right I'm in the pr

307
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public relations business I've been

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radio since I was 16. okay I know

309
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something about how media works I said

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you know what's going to happen to those

311
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Congressional hearings they're not going

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to talk to any of us on washed masses in

313
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the UFO Community who have been carrying

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the torch for 70 years and studying it

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up the wazoo

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okay we are the civilian experts on this

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thing even if when you eliminate all the

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real whack jobs there are some really

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sharp people in our community yeah I

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said no it's going to be a parade of

321
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defense department spooks

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and swaggering Pilots

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and that's what we got

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yeah they want to have control over that

325
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as well and and I wanted to ask you you

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know like 2017 Tic Tac article comes out

327
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New York Times definitely was like a

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mini disclosure and more people are

329
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interested ever since let's go there a

330
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minute 2017 was a disclosure year

331
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see most people leap to that December

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thing with atip

333
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okay and and the picture yeah things

334
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happened earlier in the year before the

335
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article okay well let me show you where

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they did uh there was the Obama error

337
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disclosure in February with the New York

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Times launched that and it was this big

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article about what the CIA CIA had

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Declassified and given to the National

341
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Archives okay a lot of 19 late 40s early

342
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1950s stuff right and I brought down

343
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every one of those PDFs and I know

344
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talking later to Ralph blooming's off in

345
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the New York Times he did the same and

346
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they picked this stuff apart

347
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um

348
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and Linda and I came out with our book

349
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of Statistics in uh March April time

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frame of 2017 and the New York Times

351
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said we're going to do a story about

352
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this we don't normally report this topic

353
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matter but you women are the first ones

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to ever do statistics and have numbers

355
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versus just a nice story

356
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and that's that's how we were involved

357
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with disclosure and then what six to

358
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eight months later Keane Blumenthal and

359
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those folks broke the story with atip

360
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and all that

361
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so it's 17 with a big year but most

362
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people just think concentrate on on

363
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December there was a lot going on that

364
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year yeah and how do you feel now with

365
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the article that came out a few days ago

366
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I mean I know we I've I've been yeah

367
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exactly my phone's been blowing up like

368
00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:35,579
can you believe this [\h__\h] have you read

369
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that it feels like we're going backwards

370
00:14:41,810 --> 00:14:40,139
again it's like lift that rug up the

371
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pile is already big let's just keep

372
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sweeping you know like what happened

373
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from then until now it felt like we were

374
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making progress and now they have an

375
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easy way to refute all that stuff and

376
00:14:54,410 --> 00:14:51,959
you know it's it's uh what was it the

377
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term J space garbage or some [\h__\h] yeah

378
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the air air garbage air garbage

379
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it's a real threat if we have air

380
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that's some fast garbage yeah yeah okay

381
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my my flavor on this is

382
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um

383
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Dr Villa could have told you this 10

384
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years ago mufunk could have told you

385
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this seven or eight years ago Linda and

386
00:15:23,629 --> 00:15:22,380
Cheryl could have told you this six or

387
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seven years ago

388
00:15:31,550 --> 00:15:26,399
about 70 to 80 percent of the reportings

389
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are noise or junk okay so uh when we

390
00:15:34,670 --> 00:15:32,760
were getting ready to publish the pink

391
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book the guy down at staple the manager

392
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down at Staples knew what I was working

393
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on and every time I came up the print

394
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off a chapter and see what it looked

395
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like physically you know uh he'd come up

396
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to me and say hey Cheryl there are you

397
00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:45,360
and Linda taking out all the cook's nuts

398
00:15:52,189 --> 00:15:46,800
and crackpots I said how am I supposed

399
00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:52,199
to do that I can't vet 167 600 reports

400
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I said but statistically we can just

401
00:15:59,329 --> 00:15:56,940
take some level and say this is the

402
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golden stuff so in our case we said

403
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let's take 70 right off the top

404
00:16:07,490 --> 00:16:05,579
just say 30 is worth looking at so if

405
00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:07,500
they're saying this stuff is garbage

406
00:16:11,990 --> 00:16:09,420
misidentified which is what they're

407
00:16:14,090 --> 00:16:12,000
saying garbage and misidentifieds and

408
00:16:18,110 --> 00:16:14,100
all this stuff yeah I'm good with their

409
00:16:20,750 --> 00:16:18,120
number 70 80 I'm good with that okay

410
00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:20,760
because when you look at give me a

411
00:16:25,970 --> 00:16:22,800
moment when you look at 30 percent from

412
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that 167 000 number it works out to

413
00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:30,360
about 50 000 over 20 years about 2500 a

414
00:16:37,790 --> 00:16:34,320
year about 210 a month

415
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every month for 240 months of that 20

416
00:16:43,790 --> 00:16:41,880
years and about four a week

417
00:16:45,889 --> 00:16:43,800
if you were going to take that number

418
00:16:48,290 --> 00:16:45,899
and divide it by 50 states as if they

419
00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:48,300
were all equal they are not but if as if

420
00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:51,600
they were all equal it would be four

421
00:16:58,610 --> 00:16:54,720
serious sightings a month every month

422
00:17:00,769 --> 00:16:58,620
for 240 months okay and that number

423
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:00,779
rattled a lot of people when I started

424
00:17:04,730 --> 00:17:02,399
using it on some of the podcasts and

425
00:17:07,370 --> 00:17:04,740
radio shows then you take it a step

426
00:17:08,510 --> 00:17:07,380
further they say well there's always

427
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:08,520
some

428
00:17:13,730 --> 00:17:11,280
FM radio announcer to say oh sure you

429
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:13,740
got to be more rare than that they got

430
00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:15,839
to be more rare than that

431
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:17,880
and they look and says the first thing

432
00:17:21,049 --> 00:17:19,679
is what's your thoughts on that it's the

433
00:17:22,610 --> 00:17:21,059
first thing if you think they got to be

434
00:17:23,870 --> 00:17:22,620
more rare than that then you wanna you

435
00:17:25,549 --> 00:17:23,880
should be sleeping with a nightlight

436
00:17:28,429 --> 00:17:25,559
because you're scared to know what the

437
00:17:31,070 --> 00:17:28,439
real numbers are right okay that's my

438
00:17:33,409 --> 00:17:31,080
attitude that's just your country that's

439
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:33,419
not even globally right that's just the

440
00:17:39,950 --> 00:17:36,480
United States right so I said okay let's

441
00:17:44,450 --> 00:17:39,960
take 99 off the top

442
00:17:48,890 --> 00:17:44,460
keep one percent it's 1600 for 76 for 20

443
00:17:50,810 --> 00:17:48,900
years about 84 a year and about seven a

444
00:17:54,350 --> 00:17:50,820
month if these are the real Starships

445
00:17:57,409 --> 00:17:54,360
about seven per month for 240 months of

446
00:17:58,850 --> 00:17:57,419
20 years even if you take this down I

447
00:18:01,850 --> 00:17:58,860
mean I got this number just the other

448
00:18:04,010 --> 00:18:01,860
day even if we take a quarter of a

449
00:18:06,169 --> 00:18:04,020
percent

450
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:06,179
of that whole big number

451
00:18:12,289 --> 00:18:08,480
it works out to about

452
00:18:14,029 --> 00:18:12,299
419 for 20 years and works out to about

453
00:18:18,409 --> 00:18:14,039
20

454
00:18:22,909 --> 00:18:18,419
uh a year actually 21 a year and it

455
00:18:25,370 --> 00:18:22,919
works out to about two per month

456
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:25,380
they're rare enough for you yeah okay I

457
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:26,880
mean that's the point yeah there's

458
00:18:32,990 --> 00:18:30,960
there's the numbers are so big and you

459
00:18:34,370 --> 00:18:33,000
have to wrap your head around the fact

460
00:18:37,610 --> 00:18:34,380
that

461
00:18:42,350 --> 00:18:37,620
the New York Times still available

462
00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:42,360
online okay go back to that go to the

463
00:18:47,150 --> 00:18:44,220
Tic Tac video

464
00:18:49,610 --> 00:18:47,160
don't bother to look at the picture just

465
00:18:51,169 --> 00:18:49,620
quietly listen to the audio track at the

466
00:18:53,810 --> 00:18:51,179
pilots talking

467
00:18:56,990 --> 00:18:53,820
one piece kept getting edited off in the

468
00:18:58,610 --> 00:18:57,000
United States on newscast CNN ABC CBS

469
00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:58,620
all that stuff they'd be playing it in

470
00:19:02,990 --> 00:19:00,480
the background but they always edited it

471
00:19:04,370 --> 00:19:03,000
off the guys would say hey wow I locked

472
00:19:06,529 --> 00:19:04,380
down to it wow look at that look how

473
00:19:09,710 --> 00:19:06,539
fast it's going and then they cut it off

474
00:19:11,330 --> 00:19:09,720
because the next words he says wow look

475
00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:11,340
at that there's a whole Fleet of them

476
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:14,940
yeah yeah okay so when I say there's

477
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:18,000
only seven or so a month baby they've

478
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:20,880
they're here in numbers right now and if

479
00:19:25,850 --> 00:19:23,039
you look back over history they've been

480
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:25,860
here in numbers yeah and that happened

481
00:19:29,870 --> 00:19:28,320
in Catalina Island and uh when Caroline

482
00:19:32,210 --> 00:19:29,880
Corey made the movie a tear in the sky

483
00:19:34,190 --> 00:19:32,220
they went to the same place triangulated

484
00:19:35,810 --> 00:19:34,200
from three different positions and

485
00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:35,820
within a matter of two days they were

486
00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:37,620
capturing reigning Tic Tacs on their

487
00:19:42,110 --> 00:19:40,200
really you know high-tech infrared and

488
00:19:44,510 --> 00:19:42,120
Dave Mason even invented some new

489
00:19:46,850 --> 00:19:44,520
technology that took you know lights and

490
00:19:48,770 --> 00:19:46,860
turned them into sound waveforms so they

491
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:48,780
would each have a distinct signature so

492
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,120
you could categorically rule out jumbo

493
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,520
ads and all the rest and two days is all

494
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:54,960
it took for them to find it so if this

495
00:19:59,570 --> 00:19:57,600
is such a rare event how is it so easy

496
00:20:01,669 --> 00:19:59,580
to capture you know and even if you

497
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,679
believe in like the ce5 and that type of

498
00:20:06,350 --> 00:20:03,600
thing where you can summon these things

499
00:20:08,150 --> 00:20:06,360
I don't think it's that difficult to uh

500
00:20:10,130 --> 00:20:08,160
to interact they're either here they've

501
00:20:11,930 --> 00:20:10,140
always been here or they're coming here

502
00:20:14,090 --> 00:20:11,940
willingly it's not like we're gonna you

503
00:20:15,950 --> 00:20:14,100
know bait them too hard this stuff is

504
00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:15,960
going on everything no no look people

505
00:20:19,909 --> 00:20:18,600
say well I have neighbors are they here

506
00:20:21,950 --> 00:20:19,919
to eat us are they going to take over

507
00:20:23,330 --> 00:20:21,960
everything and I said you're believing

508
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:23,340
the movies that have you think we're

509
00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:24,960
going to be Marines are going to be

510
00:20:28,990 --> 00:20:26,220
shooting them out in the streets or

511
00:20:31,870 --> 00:20:29,000
something like this uh

512
00:20:34,669 --> 00:20:31,880
Nuremberg April 14

513
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,679
1561. the residents come out of their

514
00:20:39,230 --> 00:20:36,480
huts and there's a Star Wars battle

515
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,240
going on over the city five years later

516
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,039
in basil Switzerland two different

517
00:20:45,950 --> 00:20:43,200
weekends they did this stuff you know

518
00:20:48,169 --> 00:20:45,960
the Galactic Federation must be a real

519
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,179
operation because somebody protected us

520
00:20:52,970 --> 00:20:50,880
from being overrun yeah back when we did

521
00:20:54,529 --> 00:20:52,980
not have technology to do it and we

522
00:20:56,150 --> 00:20:54,539
still don't have the technology to it

523
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,160
people somebody asked me sometime about

524
00:20:59,390 --> 00:20:57,840
three months ago well if we had some

525
00:21:02,330 --> 00:20:59,400
kind of war with them how long would it

526
00:21:04,450 --> 00:21:02,340
last they said 90 seconds maybe a minute

527
00:21:07,549 --> 00:21:04,460
and a half uh two minutes on the outside

528
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:07,559
they said that fast and I said it won't

529
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,320
take much I said all they got to do is

530
00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:12,320
take out our ring of compute

531
00:21:16,850 --> 00:21:14,700
communication satellites and baby the

532
00:21:20,090 --> 00:21:16,860
planet is in the 19th century in about

533
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,100
10 seconds yeah yeah if they're anything

534
00:21:25,010 --> 00:21:22,559
their Technologies anything like uh even

535
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,020
the immobilize people sometimes and you

536
00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:27,120
think you know I'm gonna shoot them no

537
00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:28,620
you won't you won't be able to car

538
00:21:33,230 --> 00:21:30,360
doesn't even run your weapons don't work

539
00:21:36,529 --> 00:21:33,240
either exactly you know I come from that

540
00:21:40,970 --> 00:21:36,539
defense that defense analysis background

541
00:21:43,789 --> 00:21:40,980
okay and uh you you two things one we

542
00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:43,799
gather information on everybody it's our

543
00:21:47,330 --> 00:21:45,480
friend today might be our enemy tomorrow

544
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:47,340
our enemy today may be our friend

545
00:21:51,169 --> 00:21:50,159
tomorrow and the unknowns well we'll

546
00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:51,179
just get put them in there with

547
00:21:53,810 --> 00:21:52,500
everybody else because we don't know

548
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,820
what they are yet

549
00:21:56,990 --> 00:21:55,200
but

550
00:21:58,430 --> 00:21:57,000
it's been going on for a long time

551
00:22:01,490 --> 00:21:58,440
they've been with us since before

552
00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:01,500
Biblical times there's a stone on a

553
00:22:06,649 --> 00:22:04,200
mountain on an island in northern China

554
00:22:08,510 --> 00:22:06,659
where there's a depiction of a humanoid

555
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:08,520
type being with something that looks

556
00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:12,240
like a breathing apparatus it's 40

557
00:22:16,490 --> 00:22:13,980
000 years old

558
00:22:19,930 --> 00:22:16,500
yeah okay and where did I get that

559
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:19,940
information from U.S Air Force Academy

560
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,280
physics book three as physics 370

561
00:22:28,730 --> 00:22:26,159
textbook that was written in the 1960s

562
00:22:30,890 --> 00:22:28,740
to train young Air Force officers to

563
00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:30,900
know that the stuff exists

564
00:22:37,310 --> 00:22:33,780
oh really that's interesting yeah that's

565
00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:37,320
interesting yeah yeah did not know that

566
00:22:44,029 --> 00:22:41,100
so you know there's a lot to this but

567
00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:44,039
think about what the the psyop has been

568
00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:47,220
okay shyap begins with our parents

569
00:22:51,289 --> 00:22:49,380
hot mom there was some I think there's

570
00:22:53,390 --> 00:22:51,299
something in the closet mom I think

571
00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:53,400
there's something under my bed mom I

572
00:22:58,490 --> 00:22:56,220
think there's ghosts in the Attic

573
00:23:01,070 --> 00:22:58,500
it's your imagination forget about it

574
00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:01,080
there's no such thing so they start

575
00:23:06,649 --> 00:23:04,740
programming you to not see stuff

576
00:23:09,169 --> 00:23:06,659
I lived in a Buddhist Monastery for

577
00:23:11,149 --> 00:23:09,179
seven years I grew up in a clairvoyant

578
00:23:12,649 --> 00:23:11,159
family from four years old I was

579
00:23:14,570 --> 00:23:12,659
watching my grandmother and Friends

580
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,580
levitate tables and things you know on

581
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:17,039
the Ouija boards and all this stuff and

582
00:23:21,770 --> 00:23:20,159
I knew as a little kid he put me in

583
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:21,780
Catholic school for goodness sakes

584
00:23:26,750 --> 00:23:24,960
really yeah six years the nuns were

585
00:23:29,390 --> 00:23:26,760
terrified of me when they found out my

586
00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:29,400
grandmother was a was the president of

587
00:23:34,250 --> 00:23:32,580
the local spiritualist church you know

588
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:34,260
um and they've also figured out real

589
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:35,820
quickly within about two years figured

590
00:23:40,130 --> 00:23:39,360
out I was Clairvoyant and he said oh you

591
00:23:41,870 --> 00:23:40,140
know

592
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,880
um the bottom line on it that whole

593
00:23:46,970 --> 00:23:44,159
thing is we are taught to try and

594
00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:46,980
acknowledge not acknowledge or ignore

595
00:23:51,890 --> 00:23:49,140
the Paranormal there was a great line

596
00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:51,900
from the movie Beetlejuice the living

597
00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:55,740
won't or it can't or won't see the

598
00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:56,760
ghosts

599
00:24:01,850 --> 00:23:59,159
okay I heard that line in in the movies

600
00:24:04,970 --> 00:24:01,860
I said oh that is so true

601
00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:04,980
because we're taught not to see them and

602
00:24:09,049 --> 00:24:06,419
when I got in Buddhist Monastery when

603
00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:09,059
the llamas understood what I was and he

604
00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:11,220
embraced that and at one point he says

605
00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:13,020
you know there's so much this is a

606
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:14,280
Tibetan guy

607
00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:16,260
been living in a monastery since it was

608
00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:17,340
seven

609
00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:19,500
and he says you know

610
00:24:24,409 --> 00:24:21,419
people around they talk about all this

611
00:24:26,510 --> 00:24:24,419
paranormal stuff he says there's so much

612
00:24:29,090 --> 00:24:26,520
paranormal stuff going on around them on

613
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,100
a day-to-day basis but they they've

614
00:24:36,169 --> 00:24:32,640
narrowed their view of the of reality

615
00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:36,179
and they need to expect a truly serious

616
00:24:41,210 --> 00:24:39,179
being who's trying to learn to be at one

617
00:24:44,210 --> 00:24:41,220
with the universe has to learn to kind

618
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,220
of uh expand the elasticity of their

619
00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:46,320
view of reality

620
00:24:51,529 --> 00:24:49,020
okay so let's go there for a second what

621
00:24:54,529 --> 00:24:51,539
does this mean Consciousness is a big

622
00:24:57,169 --> 00:24:54,539
player all the Paranormal things Bigfoot

623
00:24:59,690 --> 00:24:57,179
psychics ghosts uh

624
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,700
um uh UFOs that blink on and off and

625
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:02,400
just disappear all this stuff is one

626
00:25:07,010 --> 00:25:05,340
freaking phenomena yeah but we've

627
00:25:09,529 --> 00:25:07,020
stovepiped it like we do everything else

628
00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:09,539
you go to a college and say hey when we

629
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,880
have connection with ET what are you

630
00:25:14,570 --> 00:25:13,200
going to do for a galactic studies

631
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:14,580
program everything you've got here is

632
00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:18,000
all stove piped right yeah yeah we

633
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:19,980
categorized it right because you know

634
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,100
Cheryl when I first started looking into

635
00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:25,679
uh uaps

636
00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:26,940
um you know from my point of view it was

637
00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:30,059
different from from Louise but um I

638
00:25:33,529 --> 00:25:31,799
didn't think oh the ghosts were related

639
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,539
I didn't believe in Bigfoot I didn't

640
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,760
believe in any of that and the more that

641
00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:37,860
Louie and I were talking to people and

642
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:40,620
or like even to George Knapp saying uh

643
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,419
you know this phenomenon is real like

644
00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:43,919
you know what whatever's happening there

645
00:25:48,169 --> 00:25:45,960
there's more than just uaps there's like

646
00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:48,179
Poltergeist activity there's these

647
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,059
Cryptids that are coming out and that's

648
00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:53,279
amazing because now it's opened up my

649
00:25:58,370 --> 00:25:55,140
mind to saying okay maybe there's more

650
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:58,380
to this than I previously thought a lot

651
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,760
of people are mad about it though like

652
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:01,200
we're getting a lot of people saying hey

653
00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:04,440
it's not UAP it's UFO don't talk about

654
00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:06,299
Consciousness and all that [\h__\h] just

655
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:09,000
keep it UFO Centric we are keeping it

656
00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:10,860
UFO Centric and this is a real part of

657
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,080
it and even guys like Jacque Valley he

658
00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:15,360
was our 100th episode and we asked him

659
00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:16,620
like what's the one thing you want

660
00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:18,600
everybody to know from today's show and

661
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,520
he goes to spend judgment you know he's

662
00:26:24,830 --> 00:26:22,320
changed his mind a dozen times in 40

663
00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:24,840
years yeah you can't you can't throw

664
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:26,340
that out it may not be where you

665
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,960
expected I mean we all want this

666
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,240
science-based research but we don't all

667
00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:31,679
like the answers that come out of it

668
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:34,140
sometimes because with our fitting mind

669
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:35,279
you know

670
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:38,400
okay when I was in a monastery

671
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,260
um I was the flunkiest okay there were

672
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:42,240
three of us that were Wicked priestesses

673
00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:44,580
that took a midlife sabbatical

674
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:47,400
enjoying this Orthodox monastery

675
00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:49,740
okay they knew what we were we told them

676
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,440
up front while we were okay at least the

677
00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:54,960
lower level llamas and we didn't tell

678
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,380
the high Supreme llama but uh we were

679
00:27:03,289 --> 00:27:00,240
okay so one day

680
00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:03,299
we've got a uh the high llama comes here

681
00:27:06,830 --> 00:27:04,440
from India

682
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:06,840
and we had a big thing at the temple 500

683
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:08,520
people showed up to hear him speak you

684
00:27:12,529 --> 00:27:10,140
know and he did through a translator and

685
00:27:15,289 --> 00:27:12,539
everything and then as soon as all the

686
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:15,299
parishioners so to speak were gone

687
00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:18,419
we were turning over oil drum kind of

688
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:20,940
things and had a big backyard barbecue

689
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:23,400
he loved weenie hot dog roasts and a

690
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:25,140
Weenie Roast type things right you know

691
00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:27,480
and he was playing basketball with the

692
00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:28,980
young monks you know that kind of thing

693
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:32,220
and so there's 35 40 of us out there

694
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:33,840
we're not allowed to drink so we're

695
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:35,880
having O'Doul's you know and we're

696
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:37,740
eating our burgers and we're out there

697
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:39,480
talking the Holiness real casual

698
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:41,640
conversation with them and finally these

699
00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:43,740
two nuns says well Holiness you know we

700
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:46,260
Buddhists regard the fact that there are

701
00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:48,240
other beings throughout the Universe and

702
00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:50,100
he said now he says are there other

703
00:27:54,830 --> 00:27:52,200
beings on are there beings on the moon

704
00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:54,840
that we can't see

705
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,480
you can nod it for a minute and he looks

706
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,520
across all the monks and nuns he sees me

707
00:28:02,930 --> 00:28:00,960
and Vicky

708
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:02,940
ah you two have been touched by the sky

709
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,380
dancers

710
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,900
foreign

711
00:28:12,049 --> 00:28:09,360
and then he says to us he says are there

712
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:12,059
other species of living living beings on

713
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,140
the moon

714
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:14,880
and Lynn Vicki and I were sitting there

715
00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:18,600
going oh we just got outed in a big way

716
00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:21,240
you know and I looked at her and

717
00:28:24,649 --> 00:28:22,980
especially you know it is seasonal she's

718
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,659
yeah and he says we'll figure it out and

719
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:26,880
Holiness is do you have any answers he

720
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:29,340
says um when now or some other time of

721
00:28:34,990 --> 00:28:32,279
the year and he just Smiles he says no

722
00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:35,000
he says five you know and and

723
00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:37,080
everybody's like look at the rest of the

724
00:28:42,169 --> 00:28:39,179
monster knows when talked was for three

725
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:42,179
months oh seriously but remember they're

726
00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:44,460
not Tibetans they were Americans who

727
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:47,100
were Jews Catholics Presbyterians

728
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,460
Pentecostals 25 or 30 years ago so they

729
00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:52,980
still have some of that narrow view yet

730
00:28:57,890 --> 00:28:55,020
we're all still students that's the term

731
00:28:59,930 --> 00:28:57,900
I I have to tell you everybody even the

732
00:29:03,370 --> 00:28:59,940
Llama is still a student no matter how

733
00:29:05,390 --> 00:29:03,380
high he is right that's right yeah

734
00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:05,400
sorry Jake go ahead buddy I was just

735
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,900
gonna say you never achieved like a

736
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,120
Master Level I guess in Buddhism like

737
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:11,520
it's always just uh only the Buddha only

738
00:29:15,649 --> 00:29:13,500
the Buddha okay well no that's the a

739
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:15,659
goal yeah okay that's Enlightenment

740
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,600
Nirvana and total Enlightenment there's

741
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,399
a degree there's what they call boomies

742
00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:23,520
there's levels of Enlightenment okay um

743
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:25,740
I was an ordained Buddhist nun for well

744
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:28,380
okay this goes to the the quick the

745
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,100
quick class on reincarnation okay

746
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:34,320
I met this guy I didn't go there to join

747
00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:35,820
a monastery

748
00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:38,520
okay I was there visiting these I had

749
00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:40,500
had a retreat in the desert and got my

750
00:29:44,289 --> 00:29:43,080
spiritual butt kicked on a Mountaintop

751
00:29:47,810 --> 00:29:44,299
okay

752
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:47,820
and I was Goofy I was like really fried

753
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,039
for about two years and finally this

754
00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:51,840
friend of mine looks at the Sketchbook I

755
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:54,179
was drawing every night in the middle of

756
00:29:57,169 --> 00:29:55,320
the night I'd get up and sit in the

757
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:57,179
empty bathtub drawing in my Sketchbook

758
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,679
and she looks at and she's got a

759
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:00,720
master's degree in comparative Religion

760
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,940
she says uh Cheryl that's Tibetan

761
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,799
Buddhism I said I've heard of Tibet I've

762
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,720
heard of Buddhists they they got her up

763
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:08,880
there you know I didn't know

764
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:12,000
and so we got a Yellow Pages out yeah

765
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:14,460
that's old school right yeah this is 90

766
00:30:20,330 --> 00:30:18,299
93 94 time frame and we drove around and

767
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:20,340
we I lived in the DC area we drove

768
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:22,380
around went all these different uh

769
00:30:26,830 --> 00:30:24,120
temples Buddhist temples and things and

770
00:30:29,149 --> 00:30:26,840
nothing resonated and got out to this

771
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:29,159
Orthodox Tibetan one out in the Maryland

772
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,020
suburbs and we're going up the driveway

773
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:33,840
and said hey Stephanie stop and she said

774
00:30:37,549 --> 00:30:36,360
what I said holy God I opened up the

775
00:30:39,169 --> 00:30:37,559
book and there's the place with the

776
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:39,179
pillars and everything the bushes are in

777
00:30:44,029 --> 00:30:40,740
the right place in my sketch you know

778
00:30:46,130 --> 00:30:44,039
and so we went in we hung out with them

779
00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:46,140
for the uh part of the day and had lunch

780
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,880
with them and everything showed the the

781
00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:50,399
senior nuns my book and told her how

782
00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:53,159
that came to be and she says you need to

783
00:31:00,529 --> 00:30:56,460
talk to Kenpo I said what's that and

784
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:00,539
Kempo Dean or Headmaster he's the senior

785
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,299
Tibetan monk for our order in North

786
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:05,760
America he'll be back in six or seven

787
00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:08,100
months okay so I started hanging out

788
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:09,240
with them

789
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:12,059
I was there about six months and I

790
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,740
couldn't stand them as far as I could

791
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:15,360
throw him

792
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:19,679
okay I'm being honest okay and

793
00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:22,200
um people you're getting some of the new

794
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:24,120
age communities some of them can be very

795
00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:27,480
pretentious yeah yeah okay screechy even

796
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,880
okay so

797
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:30,960
um

798
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:33,480
I stopped going about a month later get

799
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:35,220
a call from the guy who runs the kitchen

800
00:31:39,409 --> 00:31:37,320
over there he says Hey Tashi would you

801
00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:39,419
come over my Buddhist Name Is Tashi he

802
00:31:43,549 --> 00:31:41,159
said Tasha would you come over and do

803
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,559
your magic but your your hors d'oeuvres

804
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,880
and all that stuff you do good in the

805
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,080
kitchen and I said

806
00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:48,240
okay yeah well kempo's here right yeah

807
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,580
okay I'm supposed to see him so I I came

808
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,559
over there and I'm working in the

809
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:54,480
kitchen I'm a mess this buddy of mine

810
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:56,460
from New Jersey She's a Good Wicked lady

811
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:59,820
you know and a Jewish Wicked lady and

812
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:01,799
where I started David and got us

813
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:04,200
together you know and uh we were back

814
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:05,880
there cutting stuff we were dripping

815
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:07,080
mess

816
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:08,940
from doing all this stuff they said

817
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:10,620
we're never going to get to see this guy

818
00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:14,399
okay we are so far from where he will be

819
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:16,860
that's ridiculous well he decides to go

820
00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:19,740
do this reception line and it's like 200

821
00:32:25,549 --> 00:32:21,419
people out in the parking lot coming

822
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:25,559
into a reception area inside the temple

823
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:27,539
and he comes back we're sitting there

824
00:32:31,789 --> 00:32:29,700
with our aprons on

825
00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:31,799
and he walks up to me and shakes hands

826
00:32:39,289 --> 00:32:34,380
and it turns into a European handshake

827
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,299
he's up in my face he says I know you

828
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:41,279
it's in Holiness I've not met you in

829
00:32:45,769 --> 00:32:43,140
this lifetime he says oh no two three

830
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:45,779
four times fast 400 years I know you and

831
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:48,240
he shakes hands with Lynn not Linda my

832
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:51,240
wife but Lynn another lady I know you

833
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:53,220
too and he looks back at his monks his

834
00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:54,840
entourages his these two they've been

835
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:56,520
hanging out together lifetime after a

836
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,960
lifetime nice to see you again and he

837
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:59,279
Thomas off

838
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:01,020
now I'd always believed in reincarnation

839
00:33:04,690 --> 00:33:02,940
but I never had it handed me in a

840
00:33:07,389 --> 00:33:04,700
technical sense

841
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:07,399
senior monk in this Entourage system is

842
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:10,500
I'd go talk to him

843
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:13,140
fine so Saturday morning they've made an

844
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:14,820
appointment for me 15-minute

845
00:33:18,409 --> 00:33:16,380
appointments this guy's booked all day

846
00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:18,419
15-minute appointments

847
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:20,700
you have to understand at that time I

848
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:23,100
was Miss Corporate success big hair big

849
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:25,260
makeup big nails

850
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:26,760
okay

851
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:29,340
charcoal suit Red Power blouse heels

852
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,860
went in to see this guy bought down the

853
00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:33,120
floor like they taught me to do and

854
00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:34,740
everything he starts laughing he says

855
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,600
get up here sit in the chair so I sit in

856
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:38,640
a chair next to him he says so what were

857
00:33:42,529 --> 00:33:40,380
you raised

858
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:42,539
I said uh it was raised for him I can't

859
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,460
think oh story Roman Catholic I said oh

860
00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:46,320
no I've been running with the Wicca

861
00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:49,559
Shaman people for the last 20 years oh

862
00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:52,440
still doing the yogi stuff huh

863
00:33:57,289 --> 00:33:55,260
I said Yogi stuff you mean I've done

864
00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:57,299
this before he said are you good at it I

865
00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:58,860
said yeah I'm really good at it you see

866
00:34:02,690 --> 00:34:00,059
you think you learned it all in one

867
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,529
one step further I got permission

868
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,820
I said if this has been a real thing I

869
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:11,040
asked for permission to wear temporary

870
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:13,080
banastic ropes that's the burgundy and

871
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:15,720
yellow ropes Dalai Lama ropes okay

872
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:17,339
all I had to do was get the local

873
00:34:21,230 --> 00:34:19,139
llama's permission this is an American

874
00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:21,240
chick and get buzz cut get a Navy

875
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:23,399
haircut okay hey I've been in the navy

876
00:34:28,129 --> 00:34:26,280
no big deal okay so I said all right

877
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,139
fine I got permission from the local

878
00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:31,440
loan the head monk at this particular

879
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:33,419
Temple remember we're all still students

880
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,480
American guy he does not like me because

881
00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:38,639
I'm a trans lady

882
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:40,919
and he says you don't we think you're

883
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:42,780
confused you don't know what gender you

884
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,760
are I'm not going to give you ropes I

885
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:46,560
think the Llama made a mistake by saying

886
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,300
you can wear robes

887
00:34:52,849 --> 00:34:50,879
and I said okay fine well I'm a theater

888
00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:52,859
person from waypic entertainment person

889
00:34:57,950 --> 00:34:55,500
right so I went home and made a set

890
00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:57,960
okay I come in the first time I come in

891
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,640
the temple they look at me all the monks

892
00:35:02,510 --> 00:35:00,960
and nuns they're going oh that's wrong

893
00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:02,520
that's wrong oh you can't wear it like

894
00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:05,339
that and

895
00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:07,320
Kenpo comes back to town about two

896
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:08,339
months later and the first thing

897
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:11,520
everybody did was go to him and tattle

898
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:13,560
okay she made the robes wrong she's

899
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:16,380
wearing substandard wrong robes

900
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:18,300
so they make an appointment for me to go

901
00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:19,440
over and talk to them I figure I'm going

902
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,900
to get chewed out he's making tea and

903
00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:24,240
she's me come in he says stop turn

904
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:28,440
around turn around twice for him he says

905
00:35:32,089 --> 00:35:30,540
so you don't believe in reincarnation I

906
00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:32,099
said it never said that I just

907
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,780
questioned whether or not I had known

908
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:36,240
you previously he said how did you know

909
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:38,280
how to make an old world cut set of

910
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,140
robes

911
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,200
like old school old school so you made

912
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:45,119
the originals original original I made

913
00:35:50,510 --> 00:35:48,300
them like they did in in in Tibet 100

914
00:35:51,890 --> 00:35:50,520
years ago not how the Americans were

915
00:35:55,569 --> 00:35:51,900
yeah that's cool

916
00:36:00,050 --> 00:35:55,579
okay so him and I have had a 25-year

917
00:36:02,089 --> 00:36:00,060
relationship it's very special uh I was

918
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,099
in ropes for seven years I went to him

919
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,560
one day I said I had had he had had me

920
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:06,960
managing a center up in Upstate New York

921
00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:10,079
uh I was the chaplain for hospitals at

922
00:36:14,329 --> 00:36:11,940
Marion burying people the whole thing

923
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,339
and then uh he said what did you learn

924
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,560
that on your Mountaintop I said I mean

925
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,240
that was my Mountaintop he says yeah I

926
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:20,720
was you know I said okay I learned

927
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:23,160
and he says what is it taught you I said

928
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:24,900
I'm no longer qualified to be a Buddhist

929
00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:27,960
nun he says true he said you're still

930
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:29,220
welcome to wear the robes if you like

931
00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:31,500
for formality but he says I'd rather you

932
00:36:35,329 --> 00:36:33,780
go back to your Yogi robes so next thing

933
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:35,339
I know I'm wearing different robes and I

934
00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:37,380
was allowed to grow my hair and I was

935
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:39,960
allowed to have a spouse now the spouse

936
00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:42,540
has to be equally qualified for me but

937
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,339
when Melinda and I started courting I

938
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,560
did not know she was a Zen Buddhist and

939
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,480
he talked to her and she says she's

940
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:50,720
smarter than you are you know

941
00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:54,480
you know so uh that's kind of how we met

942
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,520
and how this whole spiritual side of

943
00:37:00,890 --> 00:36:59,040
this thing plays into the UFOs and

944
00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:00,900
before I started writing my newspaper

945
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:02,820
column I asked them

946
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:05,099
I asked my llama if he would be

947
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,660
embarrassed if I started writing a

948
00:37:12,290 --> 00:37:08,400
newspaper column he said no you're

949
00:37:15,290 --> 00:37:12,300
bringing wisdom to the unenlightened

950
00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:15,300
masses about other beings everywhere

951
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,920
everywhere

952
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:18,720
and let's talk a little bit about Linda

953
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:21,960
because Linda's been uh you know

954
00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:24,540
you're saying she's smarter than you and

955
00:37:29,210 --> 00:37:27,540
she's been a huge huge behind the scenes

956
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:29,220
of these books you're you're more the

957
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:31,740
the public person uh when it comes down

958
00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:33,900
to talking about your work together but

959
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:36,180
yeah yeah let's talk to us a little bit

960
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:40,020
more about uh okay well the two of us we

961
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:41,940
probably 30 years ago with neither one

962
00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:43,980
of us have looked at either of us that

963
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,300
we neither one of us would give any

964
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,280
other the other the time of day she was

965
00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:49,440
a died modeled hippie back in the day

966
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:51,300
right

967
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,640
um and back at that time we'll see back

968
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:55,680
in the 70s I was one of those red

969
00:37:59,630 --> 00:37:58,560
jacketed uh white shirt and tie kids for

970
00:38:03,530 --> 00:37:59,640
Nixon

971
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,540
okay okay I can't four offices I I'll

972
00:38:07,730 --> 00:38:05,040
pull her opposites like you would not

973
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:07,740
believe you know I was see in camera on

974
00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:11,520
day Vietnam base of 15 000 people I was

975
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:13,500
the only Airman on the basic at a

976
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:15,180
Christmas card from the president Mrs

977
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:18,720
Nixon oh wow okay not even the general

978
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:21,480
got one okay and that that was certainly

979
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:23,520
a buzz at the Officers Club that that

980
00:38:28,670 --> 00:38:25,800
Christmas you know so to get extra

981
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:28,680
push-ups no I didn't but I didn't have

982
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:31,020
to do any more really crappy crappy

983
00:38:36,829 --> 00:38:33,960
duties after that nice oh it was

984
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:36,839
wonderful it was weird though

985
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:39,240
um but the bottom line was that

986
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:42,780
um so been around now we both evolved

987
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,060
and everything guess where we met

988
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:47,760
they'll never guess where we met

989
00:38:52,930 --> 00:38:50,579
let's say a UFO convention not even

990
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:52,940
close no okay I'm off

991
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:57,060
no live-action role play gaming oh nice

992
00:39:02,089 --> 00:38:59,820
LARPing they call that right she was

993
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,099
part of the permit for a campaign I was

994
00:39:07,849 --> 00:39:04,800
part of she was uh part of the permanent

995
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:07,859
cast and the MPCs that were for the game

996
00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:10,200
master and I was one of the routine one

997
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,060
of the regular players in this

998
00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:15,359
three-year campaign okay and we met that

999
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:17,220
way and we didn't realize we'd been

1000
00:39:20,530 --> 00:39:19,020
dancing on each other edges of each

1001
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:20,540
other's circles in the Pagan Community

1002
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:22,680
for years

1003
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:25,619
you know and I said you really know who

1004
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:27,660
I am oh I know who you were we saw you

1005
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:30,320
dancing naked all painted up like

1006
00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:33,660
at the at the last uh big Festival that

1007
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,160
we did you know there were some of us

1008
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,440
who did sacred sacred

1009
00:39:42,050 --> 00:39:39,359
um practice and sacred dance at these

1010
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:42,060
things and uh painted me they painted me

1011
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:45,060
head to toe you know uh for whatever I

1012
00:39:49,010 --> 00:39:47,880
was I was usually picked as the um the

1013
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:49,020
contrary

1014
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,240
well they were going clockwise in the

1015
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:53,280
circle I was going counterclockwise they

1016
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:56,240
they would say yes I would say no okay

1017
00:40:03,430 --> 00:39:59,820
so yeah I always swim upstream so we met

1018
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,440
in LARP okay and um

1019
00:40:07,609 --> 00:40:06,000
we resonated with each other but I was

1020
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:07,619
still in robes

1021
00:40:11,630 --> 00:40:10,020
so I'd keep her away with a 10-foot pole

1022
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:11,640
and I had no more announced that I was

1023
00:40:16,370 --> 00:40:13,740
going to be dropping robes at the end of

1024
00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:16,380
July that year and I got an email from

1025
00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:19,740
her half an hour later I won firsties

1026
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:22,980
I told her let's take a nice slow

1027
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:25,619
courtship

1028
00:40:32,290 --> 00:40:28,619
you know and that's what we did and we

1029
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:32,300
tied the knot in a Unitarian Church in

1030
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:36,839
2005 60 people it was Elizabeth and

1031
00:40:42,490 --> 00:40:39,180
optional for clothing the only person in

1032
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:42,500
a western suit was the photographer

1033
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,020
you know so it gives you an idea we have

1034
00:40:51,170 --> 00:40:48,720
an exotic household here nice Linda

1035
00:40:52,930 --> 00:40:51,180
Linda uh head librarian at the

1036
00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:52,940
Environmental Protection Agency

1037
00:40:59,170 --> 00:40:56,339
toxicology library for 15 years

1038
00:41:01,609 --> 00:40:59,180
previously had worked for

1039
00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:01,619
the National Academy of Science and

1040
00:41:05,690 --> 00:41:03,000
their publishing end

1041
00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:05,700
okay research librarian for them okay

1042
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,780
and she was a

1043
00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:11,520
she worked for a company again everybody

1044
00:41:15,530 --> 00:41:13,800
in DC is a contractor to the government

1045
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:15,540
so she worked for a company that

1046
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,400
supplied research Librarians to the

1047
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:19,920
federal government okay and of course I

1048
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:22,500
work for Lockheed Martin so you know

1049
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:24,900
um and that's basically how we met in

1050
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:25,980
Warped

1051
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:28,920
and then we recorded and then gradually

1052
00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:31,020
uh we developed that deep friendship and

1053
00:41:38,089 --> 00:41:34,320
we got uh it's called hand fasting in in

1054
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:38,099
Pagan circles we got hand-fested uh 60

1055
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,500
people in the presence uh you know uh

1056
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:42,240
for that and then when it was legal to

1057
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,859
get married in New York state which I

1058
00:41:46,609 --> 00:41:45,359
we'd moved back to New York state by

1059
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:46,619
that point

1060
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:49,560
um we got married in New York state

1061
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:52,440
nice and that was funny because

1062
00:41:54,890 --> 00:41:52,980
um

1063
00:41:56,170 --> 00:41:54,900
when they said this will happen a month

1064
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,180
from now

1065
00:42:00,170 --> 00:41:58,560
uh Linda and I were just gonna go down

1066
00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:00,180
get the get the piece of paper at the

1067
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:02,520
county clerk's office and have the judge

1068
00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:04,740
on duty you know just you know bless the

1069
00:42:09,950 --> 00:42:06,119
thing and that's it we'd already had the

1070
00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:09,960
big dresses and to cater to fair and all

1071
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:12,180
of our employees that uh my wife and I

1072
00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:15,060
owned a designer fabric store she

1073
00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:17,579
managed it I was just I was the third

1074
00:42:22,450 --> 00:42:21,000
key and uh our um this is funny how this

1075
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:22,460
worked she

1076
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,380
uh people were coming to us saying well

1077
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:27,359
you should have something special this

1078
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,220
is historic

1079
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,160
okay same-sex marriages and historic

1080
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:35,040
so one night after we closed the store

1081
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:37,260
two of the employees and I off the clock

1082
00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:39,900
so to speak got our hand carts out

1083
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:42,359
started moving some of our displays

1084
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:44,099
around and we found we could open up a

1085
00:42:47,329 --> 00:42:45,599
space within about 20 minutes we could

1086
00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:47,339
open up a space in the front of the

1087
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:49,859
store where we could put about 35 or 40

1088
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:51,900
lawn chairs

1089
00:42:57,290 --> 00:42:55,380
so we very restricted mainly uh mailing

1090
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:57,300
list for guests and we had our Zen

1091
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,960
Montgomery from the Zen temple to Marius

1092
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:03,359
okay and that was that was our marriage

1093
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,020
in uh August the 5th uh 2011. okay so

1094
00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:09,119
we've been together been together 20

1095
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,400
years but we've been legally married uh

1096
00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:13,440
a little over 12 I something like that

1097
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,440
okay smart lady when we were writing my

1098
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:18,240
newspaper I was writing my newspaper

1099
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:19,140
column

1100
00:43:24,109 --> 00:43:21,540
we had started adding up some numbers in

1101
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:24,119
New York state which was my beat

1102
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:25,380
and

1103
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:27,780
we started we found out that mufan had

1104
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:29,940
County data in the database but it was

1105
00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:31,740
dependent on the person making the

1106
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,890
to put it in and nine times out of ten

1107
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:38,880
they didn't or eight times out of ten

1108
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,980
they didn't okay or they spelled it

1109
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:42,960
wrong or something okay

1110
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,839
and then in National UFO Reporting

1111
00:43:51,770 --> 00:43:48,480
Center data which we have combined data

1112
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:51,780
um they didn't even collect County data

1113
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:52,800
okay

1114
00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:56,880
and so we had to add it so we

1115
00:44:02,930 --> 00:43:58,980
did some crunching together this is

1116
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:02,940
around 2015 and uh when we're showing

1117
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:06,000
our reports to some of the retired New

1118
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,599
York State mufon directors you move fund

1119
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:11,760
Chief and vet former Chief investigators

1120
00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:13,800
we didn't know there was a cluster there

1121
00:44:19,809 --> 00:44:17,339
either oh my God how would you get these

1122
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:19,819
numbers you know this type of thing so

1123
00:44:24,829 --> 00:44:23,040
October 2015 Linda and I are sitting in

1124
00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:24,839
our pub with a couple of pints waiting

1125
00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:26,700
for our burgers and he said she's looked

1126
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,720
at me and says look at all the cool

1127
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,280
stuff we found

1128
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,960
what would happen if we did the whole

1129
00:44:35,089 --> 00:44:32,240
country

1130
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:35,099
and I said how do you want to do that of

1131
00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:37,380
course she came from a toxicology lab he

1132
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,740
says she says look look mufon all these

1133
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,200
organizations are all focused on these

1134
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:44,880
case studies

1135
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:47,520
they look at one autopsy and think it's

1136
00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:49,800
going to tell them everything

1137
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:53,099
okay they look at one dead ant say it's

1138
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:54,119
this

1139
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:55,200
so

1140
00:45:00,370 --> 00:44:58,319
why don't we do a bigger thing let's do

1141
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:00,380
the whole country with two databases

1142
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:03,599
Let's do let's the word she used was

1143
00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:06,720
let's measure the phenomena

1144
00:45:10,970 --> 00:45:08,460
everybody else been doing case studies

1145
00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:10,980
in individual events let's measure the

1146
00:45:16,010 --> 00:45:13,260
scale of the phenomena

1147
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:16,020
and so people later becoming hey you

1148
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,220
didn't do any case studies your work

1149
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:18,960
can't be valid well wait a minute no

1150
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:20,940
instead of looking at one dead body we

1151
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:22,980
decided to look at the disease model

1152
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:25,260
which is what Linda brought to the table

1153
00:45:29,809 --> 00:45:28,020
that's how they found Love Canal with

1154
00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:29,819
the with the they they were looking for

1155
00:45:34,849 --> 00:45:33,060
a cluster of kids with childhood

1156
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,859
leukemia because they can normally be

1157
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:36,720
caused by certain kinds of taxes and

1158
00:45:40,849 --> 00:45:38,220
that's how they found Love Canal by

1159
00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:40,859
looking for disease clusters so we

1160
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:43,859
started looking at UFOs in a similar way

1161
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:46,260
okay that's the brains that's the

1162
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:49,200
science side of it and then I brought my

1163
00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:51,180
intelligence skills and that kind of

1164
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,920
thing and that and and Lockheed Martin

1165
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:55,200
analysis skills to the table with modern

1166
00:45:59,809 --> 00:45:57,660
tools and computers and databases we

1167
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,819
were able to Crunch the date with data

1168
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:01,680
in ways that people had never imagined

1169
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:03,660
to do and I'm still doing it in

1170
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:06,480
interesting ways so try and show that to

1171
00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:08,760
a TV producer and they glaze over it's

1172
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:11,579
like trying to pitch an idea to goldfish

1173
00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:14,940
right so where is where are we going in

1174
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,680
the next six months to a year what do

1175
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:18,240
you think is going to happen What can we

1176
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:22,190
I know that's a loaded question a

1177
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,760
difficult one to answer but you are

1178
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:25,920
Clairvoyant so it should be easier and

1179
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:29,400
not I'm Clairvoyant but uh it doesn't

1180
00:46:34,670 --> 00:46:31,859
work on this believe me uh you have no I

1181
00:46:37,010 --> 00:46:34,680
I didn't see what they're I didn't see

1182
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:37,020
all the red states in the United States

1183
00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:41,220
uh passing 200 laws against trans youths

1184
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:43,859
okay I didn't see that coming and I'm an

1185
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:46,020
old school trans activist from the 80s

1186
00:46:53,329 --> 00:46:49,740
okay and I said uh I'm horrified this is

1187
00:46:54,589 --> 00:46:53,339
Germany 1933 as far as I'm concerned but

1188
00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:54,599
um

1189
00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:57,000
where do I see this going uh are we

1190
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:58,500
going to get a square answer and

1191
00:47:02,210 --> 00:46:59,640
disclosure

1192
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:02,220
I'm not holding my breath

1193
00:47:05,809 --> 00:47:04,200
they've done a good job of lining up to

1194
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:05,819
this point why is it they changed their

1195
00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:10,560
ways sure yeah okay now

1196
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:13,380
who's really pushing disclosure not the

1197
00:47:16,730 --> 00:47:14,400
government

1198
00:47:20,089 --> 00:47:16,740
a lot of us who hammered them for years

1199
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:20,099
I wrote my congressmen and Senators for

1200
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,400
years not even getting not even given

1201
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:26,160
the courtesy of a reply letter until

1202
00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:27,900
about a month and a half ago when I got

1203
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:29,880
a full page letter from Senator Schumer

1204
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:32,400
president of the CH of the senate in the

1205
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:34,380
United States thanking me for my support

1206
00:47:41,150 --> 00:47:37,619
for Congressional hearings

1207
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:41,160
who knows okay but do I expect them to

1208
00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:43,079
open up on this we're starting to see

1209
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:44,700
some of the Fallout the stuff from The

1210
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,440
New York Times saying oh it's mostly

1211
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:48,960
noise it's junk it's nothing you know

1212
00:47:53,569 --> 00:47:51,240
and that's fine and and that's gonna

1213
00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:53,579
calm some people down okay we're not

1214
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,800
crawling any we're not up to our butt in

1215
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:57,119
Aliens

1216
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,740
okay that's probably what they're trying

1217
00:48:02,809 --> 00:48:00,720
to do is tell us oh don't worry you know

1218
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:02,819
and

1219
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:05,640
the classified stuff they don't want to

1220
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:08,520
reveal what their methods are former

1221
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:10,680
military I can respect it I understand

1222
00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:13,140
what the risks are by showing what your

1223
00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:16,500
capabilities are and you can't show a

1224
00:48:20,210 --> 00:48:18,540
certain kind of thing because you reveal

1225
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:20,220
the kind of capability you have that's

1226
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,200
like why a lot of this stuff of reports

1227
00:48:26,829 --> 00:48:24,480
used to be redacted but they didn't want

1228
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:26,839
you to know how they knew about it yeah

1229
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:30,420
or who do people were working for them

1230
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:32,520
and were they were they weren't supposed

1231
00:48:36,770 --> 00:48:34,740
to be probably you know they haven't

1232
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,780
collected the data may not have been so

1233
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:38,000
legit

1234
00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:40,680
yeah or they maybe weren't supposed to

1235
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,660
be there I mean I've got I've got two

1236
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:44,880
Navy medals for places I wasn't supposed

1237
00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:49,560
to ever be and I never was yeah okay you

1238
00:48:54,650 --> 00:48:52,200
know so that kind of thing you know yeah

1239
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:54,660
um remember living understand people

1240
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:56,819
talk about oh blue whale sound was just

1241
00:48:59,930 --> 00:48:58,200
shooting lived by his security old he

1242
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:59,940
should do the right thing wait a minute

1243
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:01,740
when you're under that security oh that

1244
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:04,920
you're under a kind of a stricture of

1245
00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:07,079
how do I want to say this

1246
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:09,480
like you're under a stricture of

1247
00:49:15,370 --> 00:49:12,900
understanding that nobody will ever know

1248
00:49:18,589 --> 00:49:15,380
what you did for your country point one

1249
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:18,599
point two did somebody on your team has

1250
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,180
a bullet with your name on it that when

1251
00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:23,520
you're at that level of work

1252
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:26,579
okay and you have to accept the fact

1253
00:49:32,349 --> 00:49:29,520
that you will be going to your grave and

1254
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,359
no one no one that you love will know

1255
00:49:38,510 --> 00:49:35,280
what you did

1256
00:49:41,569 --> 00:49:38,520
okay and uh that was the nerve-wracking

1257
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,579
part for me I mean we did some pretty as

1258
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:44,400
you said about you know Cold War Navy

1259
00:49:49,250 --> 00:49:47,700
submarines it's pretty rocking life you

1260
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,260
know

1261
00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:52,319
but I can't tell you what we did and

1262
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:56,220
because what we did wasn't as scary as

1263
00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:58,380
knowing that if we were ever captured

1264
00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:01,260
we'd be one disavowed and about 30 of us

1265
00:50:07,609 --> 00:50:04,380
would not make it off the ship alive

1266
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:07,619
okay that's what we underst that's the

1267
00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:09,720
consequences of knowing this stuff we

1268
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,420
cannot afford to be captured

1269
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:14,400
okay and that's the problem with these

1270
00:50:17,569 --> 00:50:15,839
people you probably have heard Lou

1271
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:17,579
alisano make a comment and says nothing

1272
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,900
is going to stop me from talking about

1273
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:20,880
this except the bullet in the head

1274
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:22,980
he's talking from a correct position

1275
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:24,540
yeah

1276
00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:26,760
okay he went to a lot of those UFO

1277
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:28,619
conferences wearing a bulletproof vest

1278
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:33,240
yeah I saw it Adam you know so uh this

1279
00:50:37,970 --> 00:50:34,920
is what people don't understand who've

1280
00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:37,980
never been under a security oath

1281
00:50:42,770 --> 00:50:40,560
okay now a lot of stuff I dealt with has

1282
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:42,780
been unclassified but I don't know what

1283
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:45,000
parts and so I'm under structure not to

1284
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:46,800
talk about it I was told forget it you

1285
00:50:53,329 --> 00:50:50,400
were never there all right fine good

1286
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,339
yeah what's gonna happen

1287
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:55,680
um they're gonna come out with something

1288
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,180
they're gonna they're probably gonna

1289
00:51:00,829 --> 00:50:59,040
give us something

1290
00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:00,839
but remember the structure they've been

1291
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:03,660
under Orson well scared the snot out of

1292
00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:06,960
the company in 1938 on Halloween

1293
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:09,000
okay with the War of the Worlds yeah

1294
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:11,280
okay people were taking their kids in

1295
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,660
the backyard and were prepared to shoot

1296
00:51:16,690 --> 00:51:14,400
them instead of letting the we're not

1297
00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:16,700
going to let those martians eat our kids

1298
00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:20,099
that's crazy yeah well they didn't know

1299
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:22,020
but they can't they came in halfway in

1300
00:51:26,089 --> 00:51:23,400
the middle of a program that sounded

1301
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:26,099
like a news actuality that the aliens

1302
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:27,540
were marching through the streets of

1303
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:31,440
Brewers Mill New Jersey you know and so

1304
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:33,540
you tune into a cast like that being

1305
00:51:38,569 --> 00:51:36,359
presented the way they presented it yeah

1306
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:38,579
um when the movie Independence Day was

1307
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:39,900
released

1308
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,500
they did a similar thing in Madrid Spain

1309
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:46,079
a couple of the news stations to help

1310
00:51:50,270 --> 00:51:47,520
promote the thing

1311
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,280
made an actuality and it made to

1312
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,040
advertise the movie and it caused riots

1313
00:51:58,010 --> 00:51:56,160
in Madrid most people don't know that

1314
00:52:00,770 --> 00:51:58,020
but I never I was I was in the news

1315
00:52:01,549 --> 00:52:00,780
cycle I I knew about this you know

1316
00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:01,559
um

1317
00:52:07,730 --> 00:52:05,339
so we're not told everything nothing

1318
00:52:11,569 --> 00:52:07,740
comes into all of our news

1319
00:52:14,990 --> 00:52:11,579
I produced a 50 75 a week cable access

1320
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:15,000
show from 1991 to through the fall of

1321
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:19,020
1992 about witchcraft by witches

1322
00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:23,520
okay and I had a senior writer at ABC

1323
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,619
News called me about six months after we

1324
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:27,119
were on the air and said you know you

1325
00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:29,220
caused a riot in Rome

1326
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,099
he said I'm a 50 week Cape Lexus program

1327
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:34,079
how do we do that

1328
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:38,160
and this is this is the part of we're

1329
00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:41,160
not given all the news we're given the

1330
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:43,559
news they want us to hear

1331
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:46,800
okay and if this call blanks out you'll

1332
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:49,680
know why okay yeah so in this particular

1333
00:52:54,049 --> 00:52:52,380
case uh the particular reporter said to

1334
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:54,059
me and he was a he was a prominent

1335
00:52:57,950 --> 00:52:56,280
reporter with ABC News at the time he

1336
00:53:00,589 --> 00:52:57,960
said well you did an interview with

1337
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,599
Italian people yes People magazine I

1338
00:53:05,870 --> 00:53:03,119
said yes Italian life right and now life

1339
00:53:08,089 --> 00:53:05,880
look and I said yes he said didn't Rome

1340
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,099
Channel 4 interview you I said well

1341
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:10,800
their Bureau in DC did yes of course he

1342
00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:12,900
said well it all hit the street the same

1343
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,180
week the magazines were on the newsstand

1344
00:53:20,809 --> 00:53:17,520
the same week and the TV station played

1345
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:20,819
it in their six to seven o'clock hour

1346
00:53:25,309 --> 00:53:22,440
that week

1347
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:25,319
and after that television piece aired it

1348
00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:26,760
was almost an hour long is this special

1349
00:53:30,349 --> 00:53:28,140
about us

1350
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:30,359
and they came to the studio watched us

1351
00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:31,980
doing these Witcher tools in the studio

1352
00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:33,960
and things like this

1353
00:53:38,990 --> 00:53:35,640
these women started coming out of the

1354
00:53:41,089 --> 00:53:39,000
high rises in Rome marching through the

1355
00:53:44,510 --> 00:53:41,099
alleys chanting

1356
00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:44,520
okay more women kept coming out and

1357
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:46,980
chanting when they got to the gate close

1358
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,140
Gates of the Vatican they were I'm told

1359
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,119
they were upwards of 3 000 strong

1360
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,280
chanting in Italian We Are The Witches

1361
00:53:57,950 --> 00:53:55,440
we have returned

1362
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:57,960
three thousand that's a lot of that's a

1363
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:01,920
lot yeah yeah can't find it in ABC I

1364
00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:04,140
can't find it on Associated Press

1365
00:54:11,569 --> 00:54:08,099
archives okay can't find it in UPS UPI

1366
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:11,579
archives okay but I hit I had it on

1367
00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:14,339
Authority from three different

1368
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:17,579
cable news people that they had occurred

1369
00:54:23,930 --> 00:54:21,240
but certain things just don't bubbling

1370
00:54:26,329 --> 00:54:23,940
the news UFOs have not bubbled into the

1371
00:54:28,609 --> 00:54:26,339
news for the most part since 1968

1372
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,619
because Dr Khan in mac and the

1373
00:54:32,210 --> 00:54:30,480
Congressional hearings back then said oh

1374
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:32,220
there's nothing to spend money on we

1375
00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:33,599
don't need to know about this stuff

1376
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:35,880
these aren't the droids you want yeah

1377
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:38,880
okay and make he rotten now

1378
00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:40,740
for doing that because he's put us 50

1379
00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:43,260
years behind the eight ball yeah now a

1380
00:54:46,849 --> 00:54:44,280
lot of people assumed that everything

1381
00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:46,859
went dark parts of it went dark but for

1382
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,300
the most part I think the government is

1383
00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:49,920
clueless about this because when the

1384
00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:51,660
Nimitz stuff happened that happened up

1385
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:53,819
nobody would touch it they all believe

1386
00:54:58,609 --> 00:54:56,700
the stigma like everybody else and no

1387
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:58,619
none of the little defense intelligence

1388
00:55:03,410 --> 00:55:01,440
agencies wanted to embrace it until

1389
00:55:04,849 --> 00:55:03,420
finally Navy and navy intelligence said

1390
00:55:07,130 --> 00:55:04,859
well they're not going to do it will do

1391
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:07,140
it yeah Navy intelligence stepped up

1392
00:55:12,049 --> 00:55:10,079
doing thank God they did okay

1393
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:12,059
and a lot of people are upset that the

1394
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,920
Navy recently said okay no more we're

1395
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:14,880
not going to give you any more

1396
00:55:19,790 --> 00:55:16,500
information but as far as I'm concerned

1397
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:19,800
the Navy did its part it said yes that

1398
00:55:24,650 --> 00:55:21,720
these incidences took place the videos

1399
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,660
came out they said yeah that happened

1400
00:55:29,390 --> 00:55:26,640
not hearing from the Air Force is

1401
00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:29,400
concerning you know and space force is

1402
00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:31,079
the new thing and that NASA is now

1403
00:55:37,549 --> 00:55:33,960
investigating it so you're in Canada

1404
00:55:40,609 --> 00:55:37,559
right yeah I'm in Canada yeah okay yeah

1405
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:40,619
let me say it this way the Air Force

1406
00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:43,440
Academy for a long time has been taken

1407
00:55:50,569 --> 00:55:46,200
over by the evangelicals in my country

1408
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,579
okay so the Air Force is again in that

1409
00:55:52,690 --> 00:55:52,079
situation where

1410
00:55:55,250 --> 00:55:52,700
um

1411
00:55:57,950 --> 00:55:55,260
Lou Alessandro said there was that level

1412
00:55:59,930 --> 00:55:57,960
of middle management who didn't want us

1413
00:56:03,170 --> 00:55:59,940
to be involved with the aliens for fear

1414
00:56:07,010 --> 00:56:03,180
it was Satan and demons yeah they were

1415
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,020
very religious right exactly yeah and

1416
00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:09,359
um I I nailed Nick poke their wall on

1417
00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:10,920
that one day we were at a conference

1418
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,740
together and I was having lunch with him

1419
00:56:17,569 --> 00:56:15,839
and I said would you explain that to me

1420
00:56:19,609 --> 00:56:17,579
is there a particular line in the Bible

1421
00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:19,619
about this and he told me what it was

1422
00:56:24,290 --> 00:56:21,900
and I said you've got to be kidding

1423
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:24,300
they're hinging it all in that

1424
00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:26,460
you know and I said oh my God it's

1425
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:29,220
ridiculous but again you get people

1426
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,140
believing in certain things you can't

1427
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:33,839
convince them otherwise so wherever I

1428
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:36,180
think it's going I think where we are is

1429
00:56:39,890 --> 00:56:37,920
we are going to be very disappointed

1430
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:39,900
with what they I personally feel I'm

1431
00:56:45,170 --> 00:56:42,059
cynical at this point we've been told

1432
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:45,180
what five times in the last 15 years oh

1433
00:56:49,849 --> 00:56:47,160
we're gonna have disclosure next Tuesday

1434
00:56:51,770 --> 00:56:49,859
you know yeah uh Steve bassettle has had

1435
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,780
a couple of times you know and not none

1436
00:56:55,849 --> 00:56:53,760
nothing against him I I think the world

1437
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,859
of state but there was all this hype it

1438
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:57,359
was something was going to come out and

1439
00:57:02,930 --> 00:56:59,839
it piddled to nothing

1440
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:02,940
they really don't want us to do this in

1441
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:04,920
that going back to Orson Welles they

1442
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:08,640
don't want to scare the unwashed masses

1443
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:10,020
right

1444
00:57:13,370 --> 00:57:11,760
the people that are not prepared for

1445
00:57:14,589 --> 00:57:13,380
this right the people are not prepared

1446
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:14,599
now let's look at that number

1447
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:18,480
statistically okay polls from 2000 from

1448
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:21,839
uh 2012 to present have pretty much said

1449
00:57:26,210 --> 00:57:24,660
it shakes out a strata three

1450
00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:26,220
um those who believe we're used to be

1451
00:57:31,730 --> 00:57:29,099
around 36 it's gotten higher the last

1452
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:31,740
few years okay there was a middle ground

1453
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:33,599
there of people who were on the fence

1454
00:57:38,329 --> 00:57:36,240
that was in about 40 40 42 something

1455
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:38,339
like that now that's that's lowered

1456
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:39,839
because more people are in the believing

1457
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:42,180
category and then this firm number up

1458
00:57:47,930 --> 00:57:45,119
here about 15 to 17 think it's on

1459
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,940
baloney right those are our Skeptics and

1460
00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:50,400
the and the the people who haunt us on

1461
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,680
the web telling us we're crazy okay and

1462
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:55,200
trying to debunk everything we do the

1463
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,079
Midwest of the world yeah there you go

1464
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:01,440
and so the so we're up against that but

1465
00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:06,000
in 2017 Fox pictures did did a poll

1466
00:58:12,770 --> 00:58:09,300
I need 20 seconds to pull a card out

1467
00:58:15,230 --> 00:58:12,780
here so I can give you the numbers okay

1468
00:58:17,630 --> 00:58:15,240
Fox pictures did a poll they were

1469
00:58:19,970 --> 00:58:17,640
getting ready to release a horror movie

1470
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:19,980
um and they said it against the theme of

1471
00:58:23,809 --> 00:58:21,660
The Phoenix Lights

1472
00:58:25,309 --> 00:58:23,819
and you know the Phoenix Lights weren't

1473
00:58:27,230 --> 00:58:25,319
just in Phoenix there's a lot of stuff

1474
00:58:28,730 --> 00:58:27,240
going on in some of the suburbs and some

1475
00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:28,740
of the Canyons and everything like that

1476
00:58:33,490 --> 00:58:31,260
and you just chatted with Lynn kitai two

1477
00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:33,500
hours ago so okay

1478
00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:36,180
will be her and she is the foremost

1479
00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:38,700
expert on Phoenix she'll tell you they

1480
00:58:43,730 --> 00:58:40,500
had all these other things going on yeah

1481
00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:43,740
okay I love her she's fantastic

1482
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:46,260
um so oh by the way um Maricopa County

1483
00:58:49,970 --> 00:58:48,180
where that is uh they're in the number

1484
00:58:52,250 --> 00:58:49,980
two County in the country for UFO

1485
00:58:54,589 --> 00:58:52,260
sightings Los Angeles county is number

1486
00:58:56,569 --> 00:58:54,599
one Los Angeles County has more in 20

1487
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,579
years had more sightings than 39

1488
00:59:02,510 --> 00:58:59,040
individual states Maricopa County

1489
00:59:05,809 --> 00:59:02,520
Phoenix area has more sightings than uh

1490
00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:05,819
36 individual states okay by themselves

1491
00:59:10,609 --> 00:59:08,520
okay and the numbered ones people say

1492
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,619
Cheryl where is The Hot Spot there is no

1493
00:59:16,510 --> 00:59:12,720
regularly scheduled hot spot

1494
00:59:19,849 --> 00:59:16,520
okay but there are I've identified

1495
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:19,859
728 one-day hot spots nothing ever goes

1496
00:59:23,329 --> 00:59:21,660
on in this place you know they're the

1497
00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:23,339
state's lucky to have three sightings a

1498
00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:25,740
month and suddenly one day they hit 20.

1499
00:59:30,770 --> 00:59:28,440
okay I've identified them

1500
00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:30,780
okay but that's because we did the Big

1501
00:59:35,930 --> 00:59:33,480
Data thing with 146

1502
00:59:38,569 --> 00:59:35,940
000 days over 20 years across 50 states

1503
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:38,579
and we've identified these days okay

1504
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:41,160
most places have nothing going on most

1505
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:44,400
the time regarding UFOs period okay and

1506
00:59:49,250 --> 00:59:46,680
then they have something happen

1507
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,260
um so uh and and to be clear as well

1508
00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:51,359
it's like one out of ten people that

1509
00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:53,220
will actually bother to put in a

1510
00:59:57,650 --> 00:59:54,660
submission that they've seen something

1511
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:57,660
so there's one actually it's one in 256

1512
01:00:04,130 --> 01:00:01,200
because Are you seriously I believe all

1513
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:04,140
that stuff too it was UFO Community folk

1514
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:08,220
test it was either one in ten or one in

1515
01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:11,760
ten saw one or and then one in ten of

1516
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,220
them reported it and the numbers don't

1517
01:00:17,870 --> 01:00:16,799
work the numbers don't crunch for actual

1518
01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:17,880
sightings

1519
01:00:23,530 --> 01:00:20,760
then Fox pictures did one additional con

1520
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,540
question in their in their uh interview

1521
01:00:28,190 --> 01:00:25,440
and said

1522
01:00:30,410 --> 01:00:28,200
um how many people have seen a UFO of

1523
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:30,420
the respondents and it came out to a

1524
01:00:37,789 --> 01:00:34,559
statistic of 16.74 of adult Americans 18

1525
01:00:40,190 --> 01:00:37,799
plus all right fine I couldn't work with

1526
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,200
that initially I didn't trust the metric

1527
01:00:47,630 --> 01:00:43,200
two years later in September of 2019

1528
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:47,640
Gallup did almost The Identical poll and

1529
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,160
they did this how many have you seen one

1530
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:52,400
and it came back to

1531
01:01:02,750 --> 01:00:56,640
16.74 something number okay so crunched

1532
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:02,760
okay 16 of 0.74 of adult Americans 18

1533
01:01:07,809 --> 01:01:06,720
plus is 43 million people that's 43

1534
01:01:09,370 --> 01:01:07,819
million

1535
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:09,380
189

1536
01:01:15,890 --> 01:01:12,960
200 experiencers when you think about it

1537
01:01:16,730 --> 01:01:15,900
okay that's that's about a fifth of the

1538
01:01:19,609 --> 01:01:16,740
country

1539
01:01:21,770 --> 01:01:19,619
okay at least a six so schedule them out

1540
01:01:23,089 --> 01:01:21,780
yeah yes okay now take that a step

1541
01:01:25,010 --> 01:01:23,099
further

1542
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:25,020
I'm gonna try and I try to work it back

1543
01:01:30,289 --> 01:01:27,420
down into those one in ten and that ten

1544
01:01:31,789 --> 01:01:30,299
percent stuff it just didn't Jive and

1545
01:01:35,089 --> 01:01:31,799
then when you get down a little bit

1546
01:01:36,530 --> 01:01:35,099
further you can go in and figure out how

1547
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:36,540
many people

1548
01:01:41,930 --> 01:01:40,079
we didn't trust it so I went to every

1549
01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:41,940
state

1550
01:01:46,370 --> 01:01:44,339
this was like two weeks worth of work I

1551
01:01:48,349 --> 01:01:46,380
went to ever it did took every State's

1552
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,359
sightings when not the census got every

1553
01:01:54,109 --> 01:01:50,880
State's population for 2010 figured

1554
01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:54,119
middle of the 20 years okay and we

1555
01:01:57,710 --> 01:01:56,520
crunched it that way and we got a bell

1556
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:57,720
curve

1557
01:02:06,109 --> 01:02:01,440
okay one in 150 people

1558
01:02:08,270 --> 01:02:06,119
fire into the curve one in 475 people

1559
01:02:11,289 --> 01:02:08,280
and the top of the bell curve set in a

1560
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,299
one one in 250 400

1561
01:02:15,230 --> 01:02:13,440
255 area

1562
01:02:19,490 --> 01:02:15,240
okay so we go with that number and then

1563
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,500
if you just do the uh 167 thousand uh

1564
01:02:26,510 --> 01:02:21,839
630 you know divide directly divided

1565
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:26,520
into 30 uh 43 million 180 89

1566
01:02:32,829 --> 01:02:30,079
000 it just comes up to a flat one in

1567
01:02:36,289 --> 01:02:32,839
257 or

1568
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,299
0.00389 okay that's it okay and no

1569
01:02:40,250 --> 01:02:38,400
matter how we crunch the numbers since I

1570
01:02:43,069 --> 01:02:40,260
drilled down deeper and things like that

1571
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:43,079
it keeps coming out to this now people

1572
01:02:47,329 --> 01:02:44,700
keep coming to me oh no Cheryl it's got

1573
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:47,339
to be something like 125 you know no we

1574
01:02:51,049 --> 01:02:48,960
have a problem in the UFO Community we

1575
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:51,059
believe a lot of folk myths

1576
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,460
right this is numbers I got the numbers

1577
01:02:56,990 --> 01:02:55,440
to back it up like things have been

1578
01:02:59,150 --> 01:02:57,000
ingrained in our heads over and over

1579
01:03:01,370 --> 01:02:59,160
again about you know stats and and all

1580
01:03:04,010 --> 01:03:01,380
that like you know making a big number

1581
01:03:05,569 --> 01:03:04,020
one in 256 people have had a UFO

1582
01:03:07,370 --> 01:03:05,579
encounter or otherwise that's a big

1583
01:03:08,109 --> 01:03:07,380
number 40 million people no no no no no

1584
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:08,119
no

1585
01:03:14,329 --> 01:03:12,480
one reported it 43 million saw one so

1586
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:14,339
even at face value that's still a huge

1587
01:03:17,809 --> 01:03:15,900
number you know there's reports that

1588
01:03:19,789 --> 01:03:17,819
didn't make it through so that's bigger

1589
01:03:23,870 --> 01:03:19,799
yes exactly

1590
01:03:26,569 --> 01:03:23,880
and if you take that number of 257

1591
01:03:28,510 --> 01:03:26,579
back again I'm going to give you a cool

1592
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,520
number okay let's take our

1593
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,200
167 thousand six this is what happens

1594
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:33,680
when you interview a statistician yeah

1595
01:03:39,370 --> 01:03:36,799
got the calculator calculator

1596
01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:39,380
I hope you're lapping this up right now

1597
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:42,180
57. there's only a couple of us doing

1598
01:03:54,410 --> 01:03:50,870
one more time here

1599
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:54,420
43 not million what was it 14 43 million

1600
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:56,960
189

1601
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:01,280
200 okay times

1602
01:04:05,630 --> 01:04:03,599
256 because we've already counted it

1603
01:04:08,930 --> 01:04:05,640
before okay

1604
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,940
that turns out to be something like oh

1605
01:04:11,870 --> 01:04:10,799
got it when we're not it went right off

1606
01:04:19,309 --> 01:04:11,880
the page

1607
01:04:22,490 --> 01:04:19,319
uh it's it's 100 million

1608
01:04:24,170 --> 01:04:22,500
it's huge yeah it's it's like a third of

1609
01:04:26,809 --> 01:04:24,180
the country

1610
01:04:29,450 --> 01:04:26,819
right uh yeah and well again it goes

1611
01:04:30,589 --> 01:04:29,460
back to that thing what 36 believe in

1612
01:04:32,270 --> 01:04:30,599
UFOs

1613
01:04:34,250 --> 01:04:32,280
yeah okay there's your third of the

1614
01:04:37,809 --> 01:04:34,260
country they've seen them it's not so

1615
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:37,819
much believe in UFOs is know about

1616
01:04:41,690 --> 01:04:40,079
and that's why they behave the way they

1617
01:04:43,849 --> 01:04:41,700
do like if you try to question somebody

1618
01:04:44,930 --> 01:04:43,859
who knows they had an experience they

1619
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,940
don't care whether you believe them or

1620
01:04:47,450 --> 01:04:46,079
not for the most part they're not

1621
01:04:49,490 --> 01:04:47,460
looking for Vindication or your

1622
01:04:51,530 --> 01:04:49,500
acceptance or any of that they know what

1623
01:04:54,109 --> 01:04:51,540
they saw I've had to find out what the

1624
01:04:57,770 --> 01:04:54,119
hell it was yeah I've had my truth yeah

1625
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:57,780
exactly yeah yeah and we think also like

1626
01:05:01,609 --> 01:05:00,000
it we keep expecting with like the

1627
01:05:03,049 --> 01:05:01,619
whistleblowers that might come out and

1628
01:05:05,390 --> 01:05:03,059
stuff like that that would be a huge

1629
01:05:07,789 --> 01:05:05,400
movement uh people with uh

1630
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:07,799
non-disclosure agreements being able to

1631
01:05:12,170 --> 01:05:09,599
come out and say hey I've worked on this

1632
01:05:13,309 --> 01:05:12,180
program or I've seen this or I've done

1633
01:05:15,770 --> 01:05:13,319
that

1634
01:05:17,089 --> 01:05:15,780
um do you think there's any any validity

1635
01:05:19,609 --> 01:05:17,099
do you think there's going to be any

1636
01:05:21,049 --> 01:05:19,619
movements going on within the

1637
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:21,059
Whistleblower Community they've passed

1638
01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:23,280
some kind of rule or resolution not to

1639
01:05:27,230 --> 01:05:24,900
prosecute people who were under security

1640
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:27,240
oats right and we're still waiting for

1641
01:05:31,309 --> 01:05:29,520
some of these people to come forward but

1642
01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:31,319
when you think about when I out of this

1643
01:05:36,170 --> 01:05:34,020
stuff happened 40s 50s 60s a lot of

1644
01:05:39,170 --> 01:05:36,180
these guys are dead yeah yeah you know

1645
01:05:41,569 --> 01:05:39,180
so um that's another beautiful thing

1646
01:05:43,130 --> 01:05:41,579
about the intelligence Community

1647
01:05:45,470 --> 01:05:43,140
um we didn't start hearing about 70

1648
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:45,480
films fantastic

1649
01:05:50,329 --> 01:05:48,240
um uh spy stuff from World War II

1650
01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:50,339
because they classify that kind of stuff

1651
01:05:56,270 --> 01:05:53,220
for 50 years

1652
01:05:58,670 --> 01:05:56,280
okay there's this idea we we put 50-year

1653
01:06:00,770 --> 01:05:58,680
classification on it so the survivors of

1654
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,780
this thing can have a nice life before

1655
01:06:04,130 --> 01:06:02,640
somebody comes and tries to get pay

1656
01:06:05,569 --> 01:06:04,140
retribution on them or something like

1657
01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:05,579
that you know that's what that's about

1658
01:06:11,450 --> 01:06:07,140
okay

1659
01:06:14,809 --> 01:06:11,460
and we'll get this wrapped up I think

1660
01:06:17,150 --> 01:06:14,819
okay we've identified

1661
01:06:21,230 --> 01:06:17,160
Five drivers

1662
01:06:22,670 --> 01:06:21,240
and about five four five

1663
01:06:25,370 --> 01:06:22,680
um

1664
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:25,380
uh influencers not every state has an

1665
01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:28,799
influencer okay drivers population lots

1666
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:29,940
of people in the community will sit

1667
01:06:33,470 --> 01:06:31,920
there and knee oh yeah Cheryl it's all

1668
01:06:36,829 --> 01:06:33,480
about the big cities that's where they

1669
01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:36,839
all are well we discovered that while

1670
01:06:42,410 --> 01:06:39,480
the bigger numbers might be in the heavy

1671
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:42,420
population metro area where the real

1672
01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:44,880
sightings are occurring

1673
01:06:49,609 --> 01:06:47,460
are after six o'clock at night to about

1674
01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:49,619
11 30 at night and that is happening in

1675
01:06:53,390 --> 01:06:51,539
the suburbs the bedroom communities the

1676
01:06:55,370 --> 01:06:53,400
unincorporated communities further out

1677
01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:55,380
in the rural communities I've got a map

1678
01:07:00,890 --> 01:06:59,400
here of uh of zip codes here in Cuyahoga

1679
01:07:03,049 --> 01:07:00,900
County which is essentially Cleveland

1680
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:03,059
and I've looked at other large Metro

1681
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,000
counties like that and uh you see this

1682
01:07:11,569 --> 01:07:07,920
big string of sighting numbers across

1683
01:07:16,010 --> 01:07:11,579
2001 to 2020 okay but if you do it by

1684
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:16,020
hours of the day midnight to midnight

1685
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:17,760
you see a scattering and sightings

1686
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,160
throughout the daytime hours getting

1687
01:07:23,690 --> 01:07:22,559
bigger as they get into light hours and

1688
01:07:26,029 --> 01:07:23,700
then

1689
01:07:28,010 --> 01:07:26,039
um you see you look at the suburbs and

1690
01:07:30,410 --> 01:07:28,020
it's largely empty but if you look over

1691
01:07:32,510 --> 01:07:30,420
here during the late the the Leisure

1692
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:32,520
what we call Leisure Time and home time

1693
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:36,240
bet a bed bedroom hours boom there's all

1694
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:38,400
the siding numbers and actually at in

1695
01:07:42,410 --> 01:07:41,039
Cuyahoga County it adds up more during

1696
01:07:45,730 --> 01:07:42,420
that window of time than it does

1697
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,740
downtown okay okay so population

1698
01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:47,760
temperate weather we found out that

1699
01:07:51,710 --> 01:07:49,380
temperate weather is a driver if you

1700
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:51,720
were looking at a say a state like New

1701
01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:54,780
York State okay up northern part of the

1702
01:07:58,670 --> 01:07:56,700
United States you have a quiescent

1703
01:08:01,010 --> 01:07:58,680
amount of sightings during the during

1704
01:08:04,190 --> 01:08:01,020
the during the winter months and the

1705
01:08:06,589 --> 01:08:04,200
fall months but July June August uh June

1706
01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:06,599
July August points up like this we

1707
01:08:10,130 --> 01:08:07,859
thought it was like that every place

1708
01:08:11,809 --> 01:08:10,140
until Linda discovered this until she

1709
01:08:14,210 --> 01:08:11,819
was putting the books to get the charts

1710
01:08:16,130 --> 01:08:14,220
together for the first book and she said

1711
01:08:18,530 --> 01:08:16,140
do you notice that the

1712
01:08:20,930 --> 01:08:18,540
summertime chart changes as you get

1713
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,940
further south and he said what we got

1714
01:08:24,050 --> 01:08:22,560
down Virginia Maryland that type of

1715
01:08:26,209 --> 01:08:24,060
thing and go across the United States

1716
01:08:27,650 --> 01:08:26,219
that Peak comes down and the rest of

1717
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,660
those numbers come up now who are those

1718
01:08:32,450 --> 01:08:29,520
rest of those numbers

1719
01:08:34,370 --> 01:08:32,460
uh dog walkers smokers and people out at

1720
01:08:37,370 --> 01:08:34,380
night doing something

1721
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:37,380
um you got to be outside right uh that's

1722
01:08:41,329 --> 01:08:38,880
one of the summer months are so much

1723
01:08:43,789 --> 01:08:41,339
higher statistically because everybody's

1724
01:08:45,950 --> 01:08:43,799
outside right in northern states right

1725
01:08:47,870 --> 01:08:45,960
go to Alaska and it's in the toilet

1726
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:47,880
because it's white nights right yeah

1727
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:50,400
okay okay so we found out hours of

1728
01:08:55,729 --> 01:08:52,560
Darkness was a driver so basically

1729
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:55,739
population temperate weather Leisure

1730
01:08:59,390 --> 01:08:56,880
Time

1731
01:09:02,090 --> 01:08:59,400
we found you know people the most hot

1732
01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:02,100
day of the week is Saturday

1733
01:09:05,570 --> 01:09:04,259
okay Friday's up there a little bit

1734
01:09:06,430 --> 01:09:05,580
Sunday's up there a little bit but

1735
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:06,440
Saturday

1736
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,120
except in a handful of states and I'm

1737
01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:11,759
talking a handfuls I barely two handfuls

1738
01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:14,100
okay and now turned out to be Southern

1739
01:09:18,169 --> 01:09:16,500
States and an intern that was working

1740
01:09:20,510 --> 01:09:18,179
for a couple of interns at work working

1741
01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:20,520
for Linda but then says well we're from

1742
01:09:23,930 --> 01:09:22,380
down south those are all southern states

1743
01:09:25,550 --> 01:09:23,940
he says that's Bible study night

1744
01:09:27,470 --> 01:09:25,560
Wednesday and Thursday

1745
01:09:29,390 --> 01:09:27,480
you got to be outside so they're coming

1746
01:09:32,450 --> 01:09:29,400
out from Bible study hey honey look at

1747
01:09:36,050 --> 01:09:32,460
that you know okay

1748
01:09:37,849 --> 01:09:36,060
um okay and observer access to broadband

1749
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:37,859
is a driver

1750
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,620
you've got to be able to report it

1751
01:09:45,289 --> 01:09:42,719
now I have a lot of bunkers come in

1752
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:45,299
you're telling us those are all mundane

1753
01:09:49,370 --> 01:09:46,980
drivers

1754
01:09:51,769 --> 01:09:49,380
I said this is as much about human

1755
01:09:53,450 --> 01:09:51,779
activity as it is the ETS let's just

1756
01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:53,460
assume there's a there's a lot of

1757
01:09:58,430 --> 01:09:56,340
traffic up there continuously okay just

1758
01:10:03,650 --> 01:09:58,440
assume that there's lots of them there

1759
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,660
okay uh this is about when we see them

1760
01:10:06,830 --> 01:10:05,280
okay

1761
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:06,840
um in fact uh if you look at the hours

1762
01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:09,600
of the day chart for Clark County in

1763
01:10:14,689 --> 01:10:12,840
Nevada essentially Vegas

1764
01:10:16,490 --> 01:10:14,699
there's a after midnight after that

1765
01:10:19,490 --> 01:10:16,500
number falls off after midnight there's

1766
01:10:21,169 --> 01:10:19,500
a bump at one curve going downward right

1767
01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:21,179
there's a bump at one o'clock in the

1768
01:10:23,630 --> 01:10:22,199
morning two o'clock in the morning and

1769
01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:23,640
four o'clock in the morning and I sent

1770
01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:25,380
that chart out to an investigator out

1771
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:27,060
there and said hey hon can you tell me

1772
01:10:30,890 --> 01:10:29,040
what this is and she came back to me oh

1773
01:10:33,130 --> 01:10:30,900
Cheryl that's when the clubs the clubs

1774
01:10:36,830 --> 01:10:33,140
casinos and the shows let out

1775
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:36,840
yeah okay so

1776
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:39,840
um okay now influencers some states have

1777
01:10:45,290 --> 01:10:42,840
these proximity to water people used to

1778
01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:45,300
say to me but Texas how can it be the

1779
01:10:50,050 --> 01:10:47,340
number three state it's gotten twice the

1780
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:50,060
population of Florida

1781
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:52,080
Fortis number two

1782
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:54,719
and I said because Florida's got 1200

1783
01:11:01,790 --> 01:10:58,560
miles of Coastline and Texas has 450.

1784
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,800
duh okay and that makes a deal okay

1785
01:11:06,169 --> 01:11:03,840
proximity to water practice and this is

1786
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:06,179
my friend Tom Conwell who you should

1787
01:11:10,850 --> 01:11:08,520
have on he's a Paranormal Investigator

1788
01:11:13,370 --> 01:11:10,860
but he took our original white book put

1789
01:11:16,130 --> 01:11:13,380
a U.S map on the wall big one and start

1790
01:11:19,070 --> 01:11:16,140
sticking uh top hat pins into it

1791
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:22,370
um and he tracked it to toxic ecosystems

1792
01:11:26,930 --> 01:11:24,239
and we're not talking nuclear power

1793
01:11:28,910 --> 01:11:26,940
plant I got the address and zip code for

1794
01:11:31,550 --> 01:11:28,920
every new down to the street address of

1795
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:31,560
all 55 nuclear power plants in the

1796
01:11:34,610 --> 01:11:32,880
United States

1797
01:11:36,770 --> 01:11:34,620
either people aren't reporting them

1798
01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:36,780
there or they're just not there

1799
01:11:40,729 --> 01:11:39,000
people here nuclear they assume nuclear

1800
01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:40,739
power plants they assume taxivities

1801
01:11:44,209 --> 01:11:42,900
people who live around town that's got a

1802
01:11:48,290 --> 01:11:44,219
nuclear power plant they're not living

1803
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,300
in a toxic waste stop okay now nuclear

1804
01:11:53,149 --> 01:11:50,400
side of that talked to Lou Alessandro

1805
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:53,159
he'll tell you they're following

1806
01:11:57,709 --> 01:11:55,920
the advanced technology since the end of

1807
01:12:00,169 --> 01:11:57,719
the Cold War

1808
01:12:02,510 --> 01:12:00,179
not every base has nuclear weapons in

1809
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,520
fact most bases after the Cold War kind

1810
01:12:06,649 --> 01:12:05,040
of shut down in in the early 90s most

1811
01:12:09,649 --> 01:12:06,659
the bases in the middle part of the

1812
01:12:11,390 --> 01:12:09,659
America except for like missile bases

1813
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:11,400
um were handed over to Air National

1814
01:12:19,070 --> 01:12:15,840
Guard uh you know uh Air Force Reserve

1815
01:12:21,229 --> 01:12:19,080
that kind of thing so the thing the

1816
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,239
Assumption made from a 1970s evaluation

1817
01:12:26,030 --> 01:12:23,280
using new Fork data against military

1818
01:12:27,890 --> 01:12:26,040
bases it doesn't hold true now because

1819
01:12:30,290 --> 01:12:27,900
there's nothing there they're interested

1820
01:12:32,090 --> 01:12:30,300
in they're only interested in in our

1821
01:12:34,430 --> 01:12:32,100
high-tech active bases with high

1822
01:12:37,729 --> 01:12:34,440
technology and that is code word for

1823
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:37,739
nuclear technology our fleets have most

1824
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:40,560
of it and the submarine bases have most

1825
01:12:44,810 --> 01:12:43,199
of it and that's the deal okay and Luke

1826
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:44,820
backed me up on that we had several

1827
01:12:50,570 --> 01:12:47,040
conversations about that

1828
01:12:53,870 --> 01:12:50,580
um proximity on the taxi the taxi uh

1829
01:12:56,410 --> 01:12:53,880
dead coal mines dead oil fields dead gas

1830
01:12:59,930 --> 01:12:56,420
Fields strip mines

1831
01:13:02,510 --> 01:12:59,940
heavily polluted not just any polluted

1832
01:13:04,729 --> 01:13:02,520
lake heavily polluted Lakes heavily

1833
01:13:07,970 --> 01:13:04,739
polluted Rivers they are extremely

1834
01:13:11,149 --> 01:13:07,980
interested in our our waste areas and

1835
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:11,159
they have told if you talk to uh Dr Eggo

1836
01:13:14,030 --> 01:13:12,719
Mutual Foundation people there Ray

1837
01:13:16,669 --> 01:13:14,040
Hernandez I don't know if you've talked

1838
01:13:19,070 --> 01:13:16,679
to him or not no but you should if they

1839
01:13:22,130 --> 01:13:19,080
interviewed 4400 through email surveys

1840
01:13:23,810 --> 01:13:22,140
uh 4 400 experiencers and they keep

1841
01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:23,820
coming back when they come back

1842
01:13:27,169 --> 01:13:25,260
spiritual doesn't matter if they were

1843
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:27,179
atheists doesn't matter if they were

1844
01:13:32,930 --> 01:13:30,239
bible thumper to come back spiritual 0.1

1845
01:13:33,709 --> 01:13:32,940
and two E.T told us to take care of our

1846
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,719
planet

1847
01:13:38,810 --> 01:13:36,000
right which is the message that we hear

1848
01:13:40,970 --> 01:13:38,820
quite a bit as well yeah okay so there's

1849
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,980
your toxics they're interested in our

1850
01:13:45,169 --> 01:13:42,719
geological fault lines they are

1851
01:13:46,669 --> 01:13:45,179
basically Nanny keepers

1852
01:13:48,350 --> 01:13:46,679
if you want to call it the Galactic

1853
01:13:49,370 --> 01:13:48,360
Federation I'm not calling it they want

1854
01:13:51,649 --> 01:13:49,380
to call it the Galactic Federation

1855
01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:51,659
they're they're watching our geological

1856
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:53,400
faults for us

1857
01:13:56,810 --> 01:13:54,960
we've got pictures of these things

1858
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:56,820
flying in these UFOs flying into

1859
01:14:02,930 --> 01:13:59,760
volcanoes for God's sakes yeah okay talk

1860
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:02,940
to the the the UFO guy down there Mexico

1861
01:14:07,010 --> 01:14:05,520
who's the newspaper reporter they did a

1862
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:07,020
documentary a couple years ago where

1863
01:14:10,250 --> 01:14:08,640
they were shooting infrared film in the

1864
01:14:12,890 --> 01:14:10,260
evening and you're watching these UFOs

1865
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:12,900
coming in flying down into the volcano

1866
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:17,040
was that Jaime Mozan yes yeah and of

1867
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:18,480
course you know all the debunkers and I

1868
01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:20,159
think call him a fraud but he's done

1869
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,460
some amazing journalism so and uh and

1870
01:14:28,430 --> 01:14:25,679
I'm a journalist so I I scrutinize this

1871
01:14:31,250 --> 01:14:28,440
stuff okay High Media high high

1872
01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:31,260
visibility media reports now what that I

1873
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:33,179
got that from Blue Book

1874
01:14:37,850 --> 01:14:35,760
in Blue Book they observed that say

1875
01:14:39,649 --> 01:14:37,860
there was a sighting on Tuesday or

1876
01:14:41,330 --> 01:14:39,659
Wednesday reported in the paper okay

1877
01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:41,340
there's a whole Spike of sightings

1878
01:14:47,209 --> 01:14:44,040
report okay

1879
01:14:49,370 --> 01:14:47,219
back in the day of Blue Book newspapers

1880
01:14:51,530 --> 01:14:49,380
still reported this stuff

1881
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:51,540
there was always a shower of sightings

1882
01:14:57,770 --> 01:14:54,960
in the afterwards in the days afterwards

1883
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:57,780
and they kind of wrote it off to like a

1884
01:15:04,729 --> 01:15:01,199
copycat reporters kind of thing okay

1885
01:15:06,890 --> 01:15:04,739
well we took a look at it and using new

1886
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:06,900
Fork National UFO Reporting Center data

1887
01:15:12,890 --> 01:15:09,840
because when we when we did that that's

1888
01:15:15,290 --> 01:15:12,900
on easily accessible online okay and we

1889
01:15:17,630 --> 01:15:15,300
looked at it from I knew I knew about

1890
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,640
these one day hot spots Give an example

1891
01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:18,960
um Indiana

1892
01:15:23,390 --> 01:15:22,020
okay 2008 2008 was a weird year but you

1893
01:15:25,729 --> 01:15:23,400
never hear anybody talking about it

1894
01:15:28,910 --> 01:15:25,739
Texas and some of the states around

1895
01:15:31,790 --> 01:15:28,920
Texas like uh Kansas and Indiana and

1896
01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:31,800
like that had an unusual yearly Spike

1897
01:15:34,490 --> 01:15:33,000
that year

1898
01:15:36,350 --> 01:15:34,500
okay they're going along with their

1899
01:15:38,270 --> 01:15:36,360
normal their normal graph of stuff in

1900
01:15:40,910 --> 01:15:38,280
2008's like that

1901
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,920
okay so um you never hear anybody

1902
01:15:44,450 --> 01:15:42,239
talking about that because nobody

1903
01:15:46,669 --> 01:15:44,460
everybody's too busy looking at dead

1904
01:15:49,070 --> 01:15:46,679
bodies and looking at crash sites and

1905
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,080
single events and not looking at the

1906
01:15:53,870 --> 01:15:51,120
bigger picture that's what we do we look

1907
01:15:55,850 --> 01:15:53,880
at the bigger picture all right

1908
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:55,860
generational thing you have that

1909
01:15:59,810 --> 01:15:57,600
sighting there's newscasts over the

1910
01:16:01,970 --> 01:15:59,820
newscasts and newspaper reports in a

1911
01:16:04,669 --> 01:16:01,980
local area and

1912
01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:04,679
error now when people don't report UFOs

1913
01:16:10,010 --> 01:16:07,380
in the paper it never bubbles up to

1914
01:16:11,689 --> 01:16:10,020
National reporting okay but then we

1915
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:11,699
started going in looking at the ones

1916
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:13,440
that is in the week that reported if

1917
01:16:17,870 --> 01:16:15,360
it's a local newscast a local news

1918
01:16:20,090 --> 01:16:17,880
reporting for two or three days about

1919
01:16:21,709 --> 01:16:20,100
what happened this was called the Kokomo

1920
01:16:24,530 --> 01:16:21,719
lights okay

1921
01:16:28,010 --> 01:16:24,540
a state that averages two sightings a

1922
01:16:30,649 --> 01:16:28,020
month at 25 in one day

1923
01:16:32,270 --> 01:16:30,659
mostly clustered in two counties I've

1924
01:16:33,229 --> 01:16:32,280
got the ZIP codes of every one of them

1925
01:16:35,630 --> 01:16:33,239
okay

1926
01:16:37,790 --> 01:16:35,640
all right now

1927
01:16:38,990 --> 01:16:37,800
you look at these ones that happen after

1928
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:39,000
that

1929
01:16:44,090 --> 01:16:41,940
and they tend to be right they're

1930
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:44,100
written they're posted now but they're

1931
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:46,080
retro reports from people probably read

1932
01:16:49,729 --> 01:16:48,000
it and people oh National UFO

1933
01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:49,739
partnership maybe I should report that

1934
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:51,719
when I had two weeks ago or two months

1935
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:54,239
ago or two years ago it's they turn out

1936
01:17:00,649 --> 01:16:57,120
to be retro reporting

1937
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:00,659
so high activity rates get people

1938
01:17:06,189 --> 01:17:02,880
instigated to report these things and

1939
01:17:08,209 --> 01:17:06,199
the last point is generational effect

1940
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:08,219
Maricopa County

1941
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,520
Los Angeles County

1942
01:17:16,970 --> 01:17:13,920
Grandpa told us about the Battle of La

1943
01:17:18,830 --> 01:17:16,980
in February 1942 he was there he was

1944
01:17:21,229 --> 01:17:18,840
watching the shells fall from the sky

1945
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:21,239
and all that stuff wow maybe we look up

1946
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:23,120
we'll see something

1947
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,880
go to Phoenix Mom and Dad told us about

1948
01:17:30,890 --> 01:17:28,560
the Phoenix Lights it was this it was

1949
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:30,900
that and maybe if we look up we'll see

1950
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:33,120
something there's a cultural imperative

1951
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:36,000
to keep an eyeball out of this stuff

1952
01:17:39,890 --> 01:17:38,640
this is what we've learned about UFOs in

1953
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:39,900
the last seven years

1954
01:17:46,850 --> 01:17:42,960
crunching the data you guys have done a

1955
01:17:48,890 --> 01:17:46,860
fantastic job at doing this data like um

1956
01:17:52,850 --> 01:17:48,900
even you're mentioning the amount of

1957
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:52,860
people that 16.74 has a huge amount of

1958
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:54,000
people

1959
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,239
um that would see that many you know

1960
01:18:00,890 --> 01:17:58,560
sightings in one country that's not even

1961
01:18:03,050 --> 01:18:00,900
the world that's just in your you know

1962
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:03,060
the United States so I'm interested in

1963
01:18:07,010 --> 01:18:05,520
finding out what worldwide you know the

1964
01:18:08,570 --> 01:18:07,020
percentage of sightings would be let's

1965
01:18:10,250 --> 01:18:08,580
go there for one second

1966
01:18:11,450 --> 01:18:10,260
um I can't tell you worldwide in fact I

1967
01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:11,460
can't you wouldn't believe how much mail

1968
01:18:15,649 --> 01:18:13,500
I get from Europe and other places

1969
01:18:17,810 --> 01:18:15,659
saying can you do it for our country you

1970
01:18:20,450 --> 01:18:17,820
know can you do it for Europe

1971
01:18:23,209 --> 01:18:20,460
we had a tough time trying to connect

1972
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,219
with the reporting Services it was all

1973
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:25,440
mom reporting Services over in Europe

1974
01:18:29,450 --> 01:18:28,080
and every country had their own so to

1975
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:29,460
speak you know and there was problems

1976
01:18:33,070 --> 01:18:32,400
with language all this stuff okay

1977
01:18:37,790 --> 01:18:33,080
um

1978
01:18:39,050 --> 01:18:37,800
there was the issue of there's a guy by

1979
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:39,060
the name of

1980
01:18:42,890 --> 01:18:40,800
um Rich Hoffman ever heard of him

1981
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:42,900
Richard yeah Rich Hoffman okay we're

1982
01:18:47,630 --> 01:18:45,360
talking okay he runs that uh Gathering

1983
01:18:49,729 --> 01:18:47,640
of academics down there in Huntsville

1984
01:18:53,709 --> 01:18:49,739
scientific Community or scientific

1985
01:18:58,610 --> 01:18:53,719
Coalition of UAP studies yes correct CSU

1986
01:19:01,550 --> 01:18:58,620
all right see you and one of the Dr Bob

1987
01:19:03,649 --> 01:19:01,560
gravier told me he had attended it and

1988
01:19:06,169 --> 01:19:03,659
he told me that there were a couple of

1989
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:06,179
professors that took a big map in the

1990
01:19:10,010 --> 01:19:08,159
United States put it on the wall threw a

1991
01:19:12,350 --> 01:19:10,020
couple darts at it and wherever the dirt

1992
01:19:14,810 --> 01:19:12,360
landed they went investigated it might

1993
01:19:16,250 --> 01:19:14,820
be in po don't nowhere okay and they

1994
01:19:19,790 --> 01:19:16,260
went there and they started talking to

1995
01:19:21,470 --> 01:19:19,800
people in diners and clubs the VFW all

1996
01:19:22,910 --> 01:19:21,480
this kind of stuff right the Grange hall

1997
01:19:24,350 --> 01:19:22,920
whatever all right

1998
01:19:26,209 --> 01:19:24,360
and

1999
01:19:28,010 --> 01:19:26,219
well there may not have been an awful

2000
01:19:29,630 --> 01:19:28,020
lot of sighting reports in either the

2001
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:29,640
national databases

2002
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,159
people's stories told you that it was

2003
01:19:37,310 --> 01:19:34,800
there was much more going on than is

2004
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:37,320
being documented because we have a

2005
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:39,840
problem with reporting all we've had is

2006
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:41,280
move on a new form you wouldn't believe

2007
01:19:44,209 --> 01:19:42,719
how many people when our book came out

2008
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:44,219
and somebody wrote a newspaper story

2009
01:19:47,930 --> 01:19:46,320
about it they said is that where I can

2010
01:19:50,810 --> 01:19:47,940
report my stuff

2011
01:19:52,729 --> 01:19:50,820
yeah not aware of it yeah and Linda and

2012
01:19:54,050 --> 01:19:52,739
I said in our purpose you know lended me

2013
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:54,060
to comment in our preface in the pink

2014
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:55,679
books is here we are five years later

2015
01:20:04,850 --> 01:19:57,840
still doing the government's job

2016
01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:06,950
this book was produced on the pensions

2017
01:20:12,649 --> 01:20:09,780
of two old ladies

2018
01:20:14,930 --> 01:20:12,659
yeah yeah where's the UFO Community

2019
01:20:16,910 --> 01:20:14,940
grant for people like me and Linda who

2020
01:20:18,530 --> 01:20:16,920
do this kind of work

2021
01:20:20,090 --> 01:20:18,540
there should be a government grants for

2022
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:20,100
people that do research like that as

2023
01:20:23,570 --> 01:20:21,360
well well they don't want to give us any

2024
01:20:25,130 --> 01:20:23,580
money either you know because Dr cotton

2025
01:20:28,910 --> 01:20:25,140
told us there was nothing to spend money

2026
01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:28,920
at so for six the last 50 years college

2027
01:20:33,229 --> 01:20:31,560
government agencies that do this kind of

2028
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:33,239
stuff now I'm not talking to military

2029
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:34,560
I'm talking other kinds of government

2030
01:20:38,510 --> 01:20:37,199
agencies census anybody education

2031
01:20:40,490 --> 01:20:38,520
anybody

2032
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,500
they couldn't get any money because it

2033
01:20:43,610 --> 01:20:42,239
was career suicide to study this thing

2034
01:20:45,050 --> 01:20:43,620
and there was no money available because

2035
01:20:46,669 --> 01:20:45,060
Dr Khan and said you don't need to

2036
01:20:48,290 --> 01:20:46,679
appropriate any money to study this

2037
01:20:49,490 --> 01:20:48,300
stuff there's nothing to it

2038
01:20:52,130 --> 01:20:49,500
yeah

2039
01:20:54,910 --> 01:20:52,140
um the same thing happened with um you

2040
01:20:57,950 --> 01:20:54,920
oh it's career suicide for the media

2041
01:21:00,050 --> 01:20:57,960
people who verify this stuff

2042
01:21:02,510 --> 01:21:00,060
um newspapers of record

2043
01:21:04,910 --> 01:21:02,520
nobody will touch it in fact I got

2044
01:21:06,649 --> 01:21:04,920
letters from other columnists in Upstate

2045
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,659
New York after I started publishing my

2046
01:21:10,610 --> 01:21:08,400
column said you know you're a really

2047
01:21:12,410 --> 01:21:10,620
good newspaper you know newspaper writer

2048
01:21:15,169 --> 01:21:12,420
and columnist too bad you just shot your

2049
01:21:16,669 --> 01:21:15,179
career in the head by reporting this

2050
01:21:20,209 --> 01:21:16,679
topic there

2051
01:21:22,729 --> 01:21:20,219
yeah I have five letters like that so

2052
01:21:25,250 --> 01:21:22,739
there's all of this pushback and so we

2053
01:21:26,330 --> 01:21:25,260
should have somebody funding to do this

2054
01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:26,340
stuff and when they're talking about

2055
01:21:29,330 --> 01:21:27,960
well maybe we the government needs to

2056
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:29,340
have a really good database on

2057
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:31,440
themselves no it shouldn't be it should

2058
01:21:35,630 --> 01:21:33,600
be funded by them but it should be if

2059
01:21:37,250 --> 01:21:35,640
it's funded by them it should be free

2060
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:37,260
and available to everybody in the United

2061
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:40,080
States to at least access it from a read

2062
01:21:44,510 --> 01:21:42,719
capability right okay because if they do

2063
01:21:45,890 --> 01:21:44,520
if they if they keep it all they're

2064
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:45,900
going to do like the militaries and all

2065
01:21:49,370 --> 01:21:47,280
this time they're going to sit on it and

2066
01:21:51,169 --> 01:21:49,380
not tell us yeah

2067
01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:51,179
well even you know we were talking with

2068
01:21:56,270 --> 01:21:53,460
Jim semivan not that long ago and he was

2069
01:21:58,850 --> 01:21:56,280
an experiencer while he was a spy for

2070
01:22:01,130 --> 01:21:58,860
the CIA he had an experience at his home

2071
01:22:03,169 --> 01:22:01,140
like people inside the Department of

2072
01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:03,179
Defense are having experiences as well

2073
01:22:07,070 --> 01:22:05,100
they've seen things at night when

2074
01:22:10,030 --> 01:22:07,080
they're at home with their families so

2075
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:10,040
there is a movement you know like the

2076
01:22:14,270 --> 01:22:12,480
generationally we're ready to to hear

2077
01:22:17,450 --> 01:22:14,280
more about this to figure out what's

2078
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:17,460
going on but like somebody mentioned I I

2079
01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:18,960
think not that long ago it's like

2080
01:22:23,330 --> 01:22:20,820
they're trying to throw a wet towel on

2081
01:22:25,070 --> 01:22:23,340
the the fire right now right trying to

2082
01:22:26,330 --> 01:22:25,080
yeah the biggest problem we have about

2083
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:26,340
this stuff is not so much a government

2084
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:28,080
revealing this stuff

2085
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,780
the fact that they have they won't they

2086
01:22:33,950 --> 01:22:32,400
sort of owned up to it and said the

2087
01:22:35,570 --> 01:22:33,960
Congress sort of owned up to it and says

2088
01:22:39,229 --> 01:22:35,580
these things are not from around here

2089
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:39,239
yeah okay other classification they they

2090
01:22:42,709 --> 01:22:41,040
need to talk they need to be square with

2091
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:42,719
us about this because

2092
01:22:46,430 --> 01:22:44,880
anybody who's a serious experiencer

2093
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:46,440
right now we're we're written off as

2094
01:22:51,890 --> 01:22:48,540
Cooks nuts and crackpots

2095
01:22:56,630 --> 01:22:51,900
okay but I interviewed I was at uh

2096
01:22:58,970 --> 01:22:56,640
Megacon in 2019 okay and I'm speaking

2097
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:58,980
there and the guys who had a desk red

2098
01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:01,920
across from me and Joanne Richards where

2099
01:23:06,649 --> 01:23:04,920
uh half a dozen Sailors who were had

2100
01:23:09,709 --> 01:23:06,659
been on the Nimitz or on the pressure

2101
01:23:12,290 --> 01:23:09,719
the radar ship right Fleet for the for

2102
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:12,300
that Carrier Group and I talked to her

2103
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:15,120
chief petty officer hey we're EX Petty

2104
01:23:20,209 --> 01:23:16,800
chief petty officer so I sat down and

2105
01:23:22,850 --> 01:23:20,219
sat down had a cup of coffee and

2106
01:23:25,850 --> 01:23:22,860
first thing those people in that radar

2107
01:23:27,410 --> 01:23:25,860
on watch are that whole thing going down

2108
01:23:29,149 --> 01:23:27,420
with the planes and the Tic Tacs

2109
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,159
relocating themselves back to that

2110
01:23:33,709 --> 01:23:31,679
classified place and everything all the

2111
01:23:35,630 --> 01:23:33,719
stuff that went down the guys and the

2112
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:35,640
combat informations that are tracking

2113
01:23:41,570 --> 01:23:38,400
all this stuff on the radar ship their

2114
01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:41,580
reality got seriously shattered

2115
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:43,560
my God this is real this is like

2116
01:23:49,850 --> 01:23:46,320
Independence Day good God you know what

2117
01:23:51,229 --> 01:23:49,860
is this so they come back from Fleet

2118
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:51,239
operations

2119
01:23:56,930 --> 01:23:54,420
their reality has been rattled

2120
01:23:59,209 --> 01:23:56,940
they can't talk to anybody because the

2121
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:59,219
lid had been clamped on it they can't

2122
01:24:01,910 --> 01:24:00,719
tell their wives and a couple of the

2123
01:24:03,290 --> 01:24:01,920
guys told me he says I was walking

2124
01:24:07,130 --> 01:24:03,300
around all twitching and everything like

2125
01:24:09,770 --> 01:24:07,140
this and my wife said okay who is she

2126
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:09,780
okay they couldn't go get counseling

2127
01:24:13,790 --> 01:24:11,760
right he said we're told not to talk

2128
01:24:15,169 --> 01:24:13,800
about this stuff and so the chief told

2129
01:24:16,910 --> 01:24:15,179
me some of the guys almost lost their

2130
01:24:19,370 --> 01:24:16,920
marriages over it because they couldn't

2131
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:19,380
tell anybody and then here's the bigger

2132
01:24:23,090 --> 01:24:21,120
problem

2133
01:24:24,649 --> 01:24:23,100
um about three years ago a friend of

2134
01:24:26,030 --> 01:24:24,659
mine who's a therapist actually it was

2135
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:26,040
my therapist at the time we were talking

2136
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:27,840
about he was very open about this stuff

2137
01:24:32,330 --> 01:24:30,239
I shared all this stuff with him and we

2138
01:24:34,970 --> 01:24:32,340
talked about the fact that I had a tough

2139
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:34,980
time finding a therapist because while I

2140
01:24:38,090 --> 01:24:36,960
was there to talk about the fact that my

2141
01:24:40,250 --> 01:24:38,100
family

2142
01:24:43,070 --> 01:24:40,260
has disowned me and disinherited me

2143
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,080
because I'm a translating got and throw

2144
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:45,120
the UFO stuff into it that just makes it

2145
01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:47,280
even more fun

2146
01:24:51,649 --> 01:24:49,260
um

2147
01:24:53,209 --> 01:24:51,659
I said to him I said you know I said I

2148
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:53,219
talked to people experiencers at a

2149
01:24:56,630 --> 01:24:55,199
couple of the local club meetings and

2150
01:24:58,910 --> 01:24:56,640
they'd like to go talk to somebody

2151
01:25:00,649 --> 01:24:58,920
because it's impacted their lives but

2152
01:25:02,330 --> 01:25:00,659
most therapists throw them out of their

2153
01:25:03,709 --> 01:25:02,340
office they won't talk to them they

2154
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,719
think they're all Looney Tunes and

2155
01:25:08,510 --> 01:25:05,040
they're not

2156
01:25:11,390 --> 01:25:08,520
yeah okay so we reached out to New York

2157
01:25:14,209 --> 01:25:11,400
State Association of Social Workers I

2158
01:25:16,610 --> 01:25:14,219
wrote them a really sane letter

2159
01:25:18,110 --> 01:25:16,620
nothing wrote them another letter about

2160
01:25:19,370 --> 01:25:18,120
five months later

2161
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:19,380
nothing

2162
01:25:25,310 --> 01:25:24,239
we wrote them a total of four letters

2163
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:25,320
nothing

2164
01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:28,080
so I mean we said we offered to drive up

2165
01:25:32,330 --> 01:25:30,080
there to their aunt to one of their

2166
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:32,340
semi-annual meetings and give them a

2167
01:25:36,110 --> 01:25:33,840
presentation and show them how big the

2168
01:25:38,090 --> 01:25:36,120
scale of this is that there's this issue

2169
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,100
that is weighing among people and

2170
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:40,320
everybody has written it off as hoo-ha

2171
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:43,920
okay all right finally I called them up

2172
01:25:48,890 --> 01:25:46,320
on the phone the person I got to talk to

2173
01:25:52,010 --> 01:25:48,900
was intently interested I went to go

2174
01:25:54,770 --> 01:25:52,020
call her back I not allowed to talk to

2175
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:56,030
okay

2176
01:26:01,129 --> 01:25:59,520
we've got a systematic hushing up at

2177
01:26:04,370 --> 01:26:01,139
this topic matter

2178
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,380
okay and there's a

2179
01:26:08,689 --> 01:26:06,960
I talk to people who are in therapy who

2180
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,699
who are therapists who actually talk to

2181
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,320
people who are experiencers and they're

2182
01:26:14,350 --> 01:26:12,480
saying Jesus our colleagues think we're

2183
01:26:17,390 --> 01:26:14,360
nuts

2184
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:17,400
what they did to Dr Mack you know those

2185
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,679
guys I'm just gonna mention yeah and you

2186
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,120
should get Ralph Bloomington on he can

2187
01:26:25,790 --> 01:26:23,280
talk to you about that oh we we had him

2188
01:26:28,370 --> 01:26:25,800
on yeah we'll we'll have them on again I

2189
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:28,380
know Ralph you know yeah so um yeah

2190
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:31,199
that's that's how big the scale is I'm

2191
01:26:35,209 --> 01:26:33,120
not even worried about the UFOs I'm

2192
01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:35,219
worried about the impact on our human

2193
01:26:40,370 --> 01:26:38,820
culture yeah okay now people say why

2194
01:26:41,930 --> 01:26:40,380
don't they just come land down in the

2195
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:41,940
White House lawn

2196
01:26:47,870 --> 01:26:45,600
uh enough room well the people I've

2197
01:26:49,729 --> 01:26:47,880
talked to they're all anthropologists

2198
01:26:52,370 --> 01:26:49,739
and they don't want to contaminate our

2199
01:26:53,470 --> 01:26:52,380
culture because they're they're studying

2200
01:26:56,090 --> 01:26:53,480
us

2201
01:26:58,430 --> 01:26:56,100
we're this primitive culture right

2202
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:58,440
they're studying us and if they come

2203
01:27:02,149 --> 01:27:00,000
laying down where all of a sudden we're

2204
01:27:03,229 --> 01:27:02,159
going to want alien perfume and we're

2205
01:27:06,830 --> 01:27:03,239
going to have them on Good Morning

2206
01:27:08,930 --> 01:27:06,840
America and shaking hands with uh Travis

2207
01:27:10,490 --> 01:27:08,940
Walton and Whitley Street bird you know

2208
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:10,500
no hard feelings that we have nothing to

2209
01:27:15,530 --> 01:27:12,960
do and that kind of thing you know on

2210
01:27:17,090 --> 01:27:15,540
the show you know yeah exactly it's the

2211
01:27:19,250 --> 01:27:17,100
Jerry Springer Show they have like two

2212
01:27:23,330 --> 01:27:19,260
aliens on the counter let's introduce

2213
01:27:25,370 --> 01:27:23,340
Travis Walton you bastards you know it's

2214
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:25,380
gonna turn into

2215
01:27:30,770 --> 01:27:28,320
a zoo and they're going to become the

2216
01:27:32,090 --> 01:27:30,780
pop news topic

2217
01:27:36,350 --> 01:27:32,100
okay

2218
01:27:38,570 --> 01:27:36,360
and that's the shame of this we truly

2219
01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:38,580
need to be able to touch our Cosmic

2220
01:27:43,550 --> 01:27:40,440
brothers and sisters

2221
01:27:45,290 --> 01:27:43,560
okay and they want the best for us they

2222
01:27:48,410 --> 01:27:45,300
want us to open our minds up and become

2223
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:48,420
more spiritual they want this for us we

2224
01:27:54,169 --> 01:27:50,159
want that some of us want this for us

2225
01:27:56,930 --> 01:27:54,179
but we've got all these childish games

2226
01:27:58,850 --> 01:27:56,940
being played by our governments by the

2227
01:28:01,790 --> 01:27:58,860
Elites in our country it doesn't matter

2228
01:28:05,090 --> 01:28:01,800
what country it is okay we've got all

2229
01:28:06,830 --> 01:28:05,100
this crap going on uh Canada you had one

2230
01:28:10,669 --> 01:28:06,840
decent

2231
01:28:12,370 --> 01:28:10,679
um uh director director of um military

2232
01:28:16,010 --> 01:28:12,380
uh uh

2233
01:28:19,610 --> 01:28:16,020
Hellyer hey they did a big memorial for

2234
01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:19,620
him in California I wrote the the homily

2235
01:28:23,450 --> 01:28:21,600
for it oh wow they asked me to write it

2236
01:28:26,689 --> 01:28:23,460
they wrote me up and contracted me to

2237
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:26,699
write a write a a eulogy for him and I

2238
01:28:29,930 --> 01:28:28,320
didn't tell them about the UFO stuff I

2239
01:28:31,610 --> 01:28:29,940
said yeah he had it but did you know he

2240
01:28:34,370 --> 01:28:31,620
was a trained opera singer did you know

2241
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:34,380
this did you know that you know and uh

2242
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:37,679
uh I I showed the human side of the man

2243
01:28:43,209 --> 01:28:41,280
okay and uh so

2244
01:28:45,770 --> 01:28:43,219
that's what I do guys you know

2245
01:28:47,689 --> 01:28:45,780
absolutely love it you want to know what

2246
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:47,699
we're doing next yeah please go ahead

2247
01:28:49,970 --> 01:28:49,199
all right

2248
01:28:52,250 --> 01:28:49,980
um

2249
01:28:55,129 --> 01:28:52,260
don't have it at arm's length Okay the

2250
01:28:58,669 --> 01:28:55,139
next book we got 50 books coming out

2251
01:29:00,290 --> 01:28:58,679
50 books 50 books do you not sleep or

2252
01:29:02,930 --> 01:29:00,300
eat or take a shower how do you have

2253
01:29:05,950 --> 01:29:02,940
time to write 50 books that's a lot well

2254
01:29:09,890 --> 01:29:05,960
okay you kick you take

2255
01:29:12,110 --> 01:29:09,900
the scientific article section of the

2256
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:12,120
book of this book

2257
01:29:17,209 --> 01:29:15,360
and you put it with the statistics for a

2258
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:17,219
single state

2259
01:29:22,970 --> 01:29:20,159
okay now why do we do this our national

2260
01:29:25,310 --> 01:29:22,980
books would go country

2261
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:25,320
State and down to the county level but

2262
01:29:30,530 --> 01:29:26,880
we can never go lower than that during

2263
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:30,540
2020 20 we're covered lockdown all the

2264
01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:32,159
Time in the World to do something no

2265
01:29:37,729 --> 01:29:34,320
place to go okay

2266
01:29:39,649 --> 01:29:37,739
uh or so we figured it out we we ran a

2267
01:29:41,330 --> 01:29:39,659
computer thing on size of the records

2268
01:29:44,750 --> 01:29:41,340
and the reports for it literally taking

2269
01:29:46,490 --> 01:29:44,760
it down to the county zip code and

2270
01:29:49,550 --> 01:29:46,500
Village level

2271
01:29:50,810 --> 01:29:49,560
okay the locality uh Municipal level

2272
01:29:54,050 --> 01:29:50,820
okay

2273
01:29:56,510 --> 01:29:54,060
and it would have been three Oxford four

2274
01:29:57,890 --> 01:29:56,520
Oxford dictionaries about 6 500 pages it

2275
01:29:59,870 --> 01:29:57,900
would have been a foot and a half thick

2276
01:30:02,750 --> 01:29:59,880
uh I forget how many centimeters it was

2277
01:30:05,390 --> 01:30:02,760
but it was it was deep okay it was deep

2278
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:05,400
okay and we said we can't publish a

2279
01:30:10,250 --> 01:30:07,440
thing like that it's not the Gutenberg

2280
01:30:13,490 --> 01:30:10,260
Bible nobody's gonna buy it okay so we

2281
01:30:16,010 --> 01:30:13,500
decided to do 50 individual states

2282
01:30:17,810 --> 01:30:16,020
okay so they're coming out in a series

2283
01:30:20,030 --> 01:30:17,820
they're all named I've already generated

2284
01:30:21,950 --> 01:30:20,040
all the reports we've got the the

2285
01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:21,960
production event part that's got the

2286
01:30:26,990 --> 01:30:24,239
preface and all the all the scientific

2287
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:27,000
research papers that we generated for

2288
01:30:32,270 --> 01:30:30,000
the pink book are in there and the last

2289
01:30:36,410 --> 01:30:32,280
quarter of the book or last third of the

2290
01:30:40,370 --> 01:30:36,420
book is a print is a printout has 2001

2291
01:30:42,169 --> 01:30:40,380
to 2020 and down it goes County zip code

2292
01:30:44,990 --> 01:30:42,179
summaries

2293
01:30:47,689 --> 01:30:45,000
um the name of the city and all the

2294
01:30:50,030 --> 01:30:47,699
shapes they they incurred during the 20

2295
01:30:54,290 --> 01:30:50,040
years and what years they had them okay

2296
01:30:56,450 --> 01:30:54,300
and it just for Ohio it's like 143 Pages

2297
01:31:00,290 --> 01:30:56,460
California is going to be upwards of uh

2298
01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:00,300
550 Pages just for that part alone yeah

2299
01:31:04,250 --> 01:31:02,639
okay so we're generating 50 books and

2300
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:04,260
we've gone with a catchy title kind of

2301
01:31:07,790 --> 01:31:05,760
plugging into like the Harry Potter

2302
01:31:10,430 --> 01:31:07,800
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

2303
01:31:13,010 --> 01:31:10,440
UFOs in Ohio and where to find them or

2304
01:31:15,050 --> 01:31:13,020
UFOs in uh New Hampshire and where to

2305
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:15,060
find them and we're making 50 of them

2306
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:19,440
it's a Siri it's a series okay and

2307
01:31:24,110 --> 01:31:21,360
um

2308
01:31:27,229 --> 01:31:24,120
the

2309
01:31:29,090 --> 01:31:27,239
Ohio is being released on Halloween to

2310
01:31:32,330 --> 01:31:29,100
Amazon

2311
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:32,340
it's there nice PDF ready to go and

2312
01:31:34,729 --> 01:31:33,600
we're we're not going to put a fancy

2313
01:31:37,010 --> 01:31:34,739
cover on it we're going to use one of

2314
01:31:39,229 --> 01:31:37,020
their stock covers with our writing on

2315
01:31:40,910 --> 01:31:39,239
it and probably once we upload the thing

2316
01:31:43,370 --> 01:31:40,920
provided it uploads okay and everything

2317
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:43,380
they usually release our stuff within

2318
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:45,360
two to four days when the first book

2319
01:31:48,729 --> 01:31:46,800
came out with the charts graphs and

2320
01:31:52,250 --> 01:31:48,739
tables and the first one the white book

2321
01:31:53,689 --> 01:31:52,260
uh in 2017 they didn't release it for

2322
01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:53,699
almost two weeks

2323
01:31:59,570 --> 01:31:57,840
hmm so they're a lot faster now it's not

2324
01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:59,580
so much technically it rattled them

2325
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:00,960
editorially

2326
01:32:03,950 --> 01:32:02,639
yeah they want to make sure they knew

2327
01:32:06,290 --> 01:32:03,960
what was in it before they put their

2328
01:32:08,090 --> 01:32:06,300
seal on them exactly and then when the

2329
01:32:09,950 --> 01:32:08,100
pink book came out it was it was live in

2330
01:32:12,410 --> 01:32:09,960
48 hours

2331
01:32:14,450 --> 01:32:12,420
nice so we're going to be really we're

2332
01:32:16,250 --> 01:32:14,460
going to start all the tables have been

2333
01:32:18,169 --> 01:32:16,260
built we have the production value of

2334
01:32:21,530 --> 01:32:18,179
all the all the columns the only thing I

2335
01:32:23,149 --> 01:32:21,540
have to do is do the uh get the um in

2336
01:32:25,970 --> 01:32:23,159
the Verso that's the part that's got the

2337
01:32:29,209 --> 01:32:25,980
copyright notice all that uh when I go

2338
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:29,219
to upload it or I go to register it

2339
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:31,440
um they generate an ISBN number I have

2340
01:32:34,910 --> 01:32:33,360
to go into the PDF and put the ISBN

2341
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:34,920
number in there and then there's the

2342
01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:37,440
whole production of the book so we hope

2343
01:32:45,290 --> 01:32:39,840
to be able to release these things on an

2344
01:32:46,910 --> 01:32:45,300
order of of maybe five to ten a week

2345
01:32:50,270 --> 01:32:46,920
after the first one gets up and

2346
01:32:52,790 --> 01:32:50,280
operational nice very good we had we had

2347
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:52,800
old methods engineering training in

2348
01:32:56,450 --> 01:32:54,239
college you know let's you know learn

2349
01:32:58,370 --> 01:32:56,460
how to manufacture stuff you know so

2350
01:33:01,250 --> 01:32:58,380
that this this whole thing was designed

2351
01:33:04,250 --> 01:33:01,260
and laid out and the manuscripts laying

2352
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:04,260
over there on the table and uh so we're

2353
01:33:08,330 --> 01:33:05,760
ready to go

2354
01:33:11,810 --> 01:33:08,340
um and like I said uh right now the plan

2355
01:33:14,510 --> 01:33:11,820
is to release on Halloween now Halloween

2356
01:33:16,910 --> 01:33:14,520
is the highest holy day for those of us

2357
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:16,920
in the uh witching arts and I've been a

2358
01:33:22,370 --> 01:33:18,960
card carrying witch broom toting

2359
01:33:26,209 --> 01:33:22,380
cauldron stirring for for 44 years so um

2360
01:33:28,129 --> 01:33:26,219
uh that's sort of a magical offering so

2361
01:33:30,169 --> 01:33:28,139
to speak hopefully to put great

2362
01:33:33,530 --> 01:33:30,179
blessings upon the entire series now

2363
01:33:35,090 --> 01:33:33,540
that's 50 states 50 states okay it's

2364
01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:35,100
crazy the other thing we're gonna do is

2365
01:33:40,430 --> 01:33:37,920
29 recognizable shapes between the two

2366
01:33:42,649 --> 01:33:40,440
databases okay we're gonna do this

2367
01:33:44,209 --> 01:33:42,659
follow-up we're not ready we don't have

2368
01:33:46,330 --> 01:33:44,219
the reports generated but we've got

2369
01:33:48,649 --> 01:33:46,340
samples that we've put together together

2370
01:33:50,090 --> 01:33:48,659
prototypes and what we're going to do is

2371
01:33:52,669 --> 01:33:50,100
we're going to generate the 29

2372
01:33:54,770 --> 01:33:52,679
individual shapes right down to zip code

2373
01:33:56,810 --> 01:33:54,780
models of where that what states are in

2374
01:33:59,330 --> 01:33:56,820
and the United States is I can print my

2375
01:34:01,550 --> 01:33:59,340
maps right now off every single shape

2376
01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:01,560
that's in there and what states are

2377
01:34:05,870 --> 01:34:03,600
seeing and not all shapes are seen in

2378
01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:05,880
all states

2379
01:34:11,450 --> 01:34:08,639
very interesting yeah it's it's amazing

2380
01:34:13,910 --> 01:34:11,460
the work that has been done and just the

2381
01:34:16,370 --> 01:34:13,920
fact that you got 50 books coming out is

2382
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:16,380
insane uh Louis do you have any final

2383
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:18,000
questions for our guest today please no

2384
01:34:23,209 --> 01:34:20,159
we'll just extend a very warm thanks to

2385
01:34:24,890 --> 01:34:23,219
Cheryl Costa it's uh it's interesting to

2386
01:34:27,229 --> 01:34:24,900
have these discussions and to see the

2387
01:34:29,450 --> 01:34:27,239
passion we have our own passion most of

2388
01:34:31,790 --> 01:34:29,460
our guests are in their own little niche

2389
01:34:33,290 --> 01:34:31,800
as well with this thing but uh yeah

2390
01:34:35,390 --> 01:34:33,300
everybody gets fired up in different

2391
01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:35,400
ways and they're enthusiastic and

2392
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:37,199
different things and I mean you've done

2393
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:40,380
a lot and your brain is large and we

2394
01:34:44,689 --> 01:34:42,239
need people with those perspectives and

2395
01:34:46,910 --> 01:34:44,699
uh and everybody has an equal seat at

2396
01:34:48,350 --> 01:34:46,920
the table right now we don't discern if

2397
01:34:50,090 --> 01:34:48,360
you know your stuff you're welcome on

2398
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:50,100
the show and we really enjoyed having

2399
01:34:55,550 --> 01:34:53,280
you on today's program as soon as soon

2400
01:34:58,129 --> 01:34:55,560
as we're actually hot with Amazon and

2401
01:35:00,410 --> 01:34:58,139
you can actually look it up and I'll

2402
01:35:02,689 --> 01:35:00,420
send you the link so if you want to show

2403
01:35:04,550 --> 01:35:02,699
it to your audience and a show down the

2404
01:35:06,350 --> 01:35:04,560
road or something like that you can I

2405
01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:06,360
really appreciate that Cheryl Costa

2406
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:07,679
thanks again for being on the show today